im assuming you cant overdose on acid,so what amount will make me have an ego-loss?

when i was younger like the kids on the board i used too take alot of acid and 2 hits would cause me ego loss.the thing is back in the day i was the 1 dosing it so i knos exactly what i was taking.
im not on ssris but im on alot of opiates for pain,neurontin,trazadone,klonopin.
i know the opiated effect mdma.cause it cancels it out.
i did trip on the ten hits i was watching the matrix and i aklmost felt like i was in the movie,lol..but i was in total controll when i wanted too be.
i remember years ago when i took acid for the first time i was lying in the floor
AND COULDNT GET UP.
I HAVENT DONE IT IT 17 YEARS BEFORE MY LAST TRIP,IM ASSUMING THE MEDS WERE A FACTOR.IT SUCKD I HATE TAKINB MEDS BUT ILL SUFFER IF NOT.

 

was just saying that ego death isn't something that can really be forced. it has to come naturally.

if your taking psychedelics in order to achieve ego loss then you are just going to end up with a misconstrued conception of what ego loss really is. ego loss is a desireless state. the more you push for it, the more it will allude you. i don't care how much acid you take. your just going to be looking into a mirror.

not to say that ego loss can't be brought about by psychedelics...

i have experienced ego loss.. i don't really know where that came from writer...

 

smartest thing said....I like to think of it as something a certain type of mind enjoys, take a look at the users of acid who went deep into acid, all really different cases...Some sadder than others, others different, its all different heads.

 

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I like you.

 

well cut out the meds then man you know valium xanax and kpins thats what ya take when you took 10 hits and realise that SHIT I JUST ATE 10 HITS I'M GONNA BE SPUN FOR A MONTH SOMONE HELP ME COME DOWN

 

what's not natural about a perfectly natural human being, perfectly naturally taking a perfectly natural configuration of atoms?

Because for some reason when you get it from psychedelics its not "pure"?

Well it's more than that, it's an ego-less state.

You can desire the ego-less state while having an ego. This in no way affects your achieving an ego-less state, which indeed contains within it no desire. But prior to achieving this state, the desire to achieve it may well exist and will or will not have any impact on it.

Then we agree.

Then I'm confused what your point is?

You are being contradictory I think. Can we achieve ego loss through psychedelics? Yes. Can we "want" to achieve ego loss through psychedelics? Of course. I want to lose my ego for a few hours, so I will eat 80mg 4-aco-dmt. Once I am in that state, there will be much merriment and laughter about the one who, a few hours ago, took 4-aco-dmt to simply be "this". It's always fun! For who? Sometimes me, sometimes I don't know. I don't see how any of that situation is a problem?

 

You guys are soooo funny. :rofl:

"Hey man, I did so lose my ego!"
"Well my ego-loss is bigger than yours."
"Hey,I lost my ego when I was 15, and you still haven't lost it!"
"I remember when I lost my ego. Her name was Lucy and it was a warm summers night..."

You guys sound like a couple of 15 year olds comparing dicks and who's a virgin.

You talk about it as if it were some supra natural, mystical, religious experience. All that really occurs, in my opinion based on the mechanism of action exhibited by LSD, is your brain has stopped filtering and categorizing signals from your nervous system, both external and internal, which results in a sensation of "oneness" because the differentiating factors that help to give rise to a sense of "self" are no longer in force to the extent they are in normal consciousness.

Every thing that happens on LSD isn't spiritual/mystical in nature. Some things are interpreted by us as such, often for lack of a better understanding of the mechanics involved in how our nervous system handles and process's information.

Seriously, stop looking at LSD as some miraculous "God-in-a-bottle" potion, and consider the fact that it is a very powerful substance that produces some remarkable effects on the human nervous system. Most of which we are barely starting to understand.

Desos, lose the Buddhist rhetoric, and convey shit in your OWN words, not someone else's.
When you get to the point that you comprehend the spiritual matters and drug matters that we discuss to such an extant that you can converse about them without using someone Else's words, you will have gained enormous respect from me.
Not as though my respect means anything.
Just saying when you open your mouth and start to talk in these flowery, esoteric, veiled sayings, you've already lost half your audience.
Not because they "don't get it" but because it's more like "OH fuck, here we go again with this bullshit."

So just take it out to the parking lot and drop 'em and see who has the bigger ego loss!

 

I understand what you're saying now. But I think you're wrong; I think ego-death is a very clinical and observable phenomenon, which can be induced by very specific things, including certain amounts of certain molecules in your synapses. Whether or not you're ready for ego-death is an afterthought once you've put that stuff in you; if you took enough, it's gonna happen.

 

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Yeah!! Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one that realizes that the phenomena induced or created by psychedelics isn't some big magical hocus-pocus, but is rather specific, predictable, and reliable in it's effects relative to dose. One of those happen to be the phenomena termed "ego death or ego dissolution" I prefer the latter term because it is more precise in describing what is happening within your nervous system and how that manifests into our active conciousness.
Everyone goes through the same stages of LSD inebriation, the only difference is the CONTENT of those experiences because the content is derived from the brain/memory of the individual.

 

its called a dam, damn it

 

Seriously guys,^best post so far^

 

yea and then the water just goes around the dam. what now?

 

lol, those were my own words took me fucking forever to think of an analogy that i could compare ego loss to. rivers are good. :biggrinjester: what can't be related to water?

but the question is would you be able to acquire the physical means to 'take enough' if you weren't ready? i don't think so.

sure it may be dependant on physical states, but why would it be any other way? i'm sure if you looked at someone in a state of ego-loss that was not taking any drugs they would be exhibiting almost the exact same brain waves and patterns as someone who had a head full of acid in a state of ego-loss. it would only make sense that something so profound on a spiritual and metaphysical level would have a reflection in the physical world, no? i mean that is all this world is after all, right? a reflection of the cosmic metaphysical and spiritual aspects of life?

yes and for some people the content might include complete ego dissolution, while for others the content might include the most prominent aspects of their ego being blown up and manifested. all depending on desire, karma, and your willpower. if the ego is strong enough, it doesn't matter how much acid you take. but generally acid seems to have atleast a denting effect on really big egos, tending towards ego loss to a certain degree. but i mean you find a person with a strong enough ego and they can chomp down tenstrips upon tenstrips and all it will do is manifest and twist up their ego. while other people are able to achieve ego loss without any drugs at all. all while even yet other people do not have acess to the physical means to induce such mystical experiences. what is the difference? desire, karma, and willpower.

oh and i have way more ego loss than all of ya'll!

 

What does it mean to "be ready" for ego loss? Who is ready? Ego loss happens. Whether or not the ego which returns afterwards understands what happened or enjoyed it or whatever, is secondary. Lots of people have the physical means to induce ego loss (they have the right molecules), and are "not ready" as you say, yet experience ego loss, and go out into the world and onto message boards like this one and integrate the experience into their intellect.

This is your worldview and I have disagreed often with you, so I'll just say that in my opinion, the more correct way to phrase this is to say that this physical world is the divine cosmic metaphysical and spiritual world as well. Not a "reflection", not some "lower karmic level", but the very thing itself.

I dunno dude, I saw my not-ready-for-ego-loss friend completely lose his ego for an hour on 100mg of dpt. He had no say in it. It took him away kicking and screaming, and he tried his hardest to stay, and never stood a chance.

The "ego" is just a collection of neural and thought activity. Every night when we go to sleep, we lose this. There is no "I AM" in dreamless sleep. We experience ego loss every night, it's not a special state, and it has nothing to do with anything "outside" of smelly brain juices, low currents, and drugs you can buy at concerts.

Life is crazy

 

idk if anoyone wrot this yet...but acording to s. grof 250mics are enough to experience ego death...400mics-500mics is the border...from there the trip will not be stronger...just longer!
....or...do a thumbprint...lol

 

I think I know what Desos is getting at. I can compare it to practicing a musical instrument. Often times when I practice guitar, I find I make more progress when I'm not really shooting for a certain goal. I just practice making new chord structures and switch to and from different chords and my dexterity builds. This can be compared to taking an LSD trip, not neccessarily to attain a state of "ego-loss", but just to take it and enjoy it. Sometimes you'll get "ego-loss" even when you're not trying, in fact that has probably happened to me, I just am not really concerned with the term "ego-death" or "ego-loss." I just call it an amazing acid trip.

That's not to say that you can't strive to achieve an ego-less state. I can use the instrument analogy again. My friends who are music majors, when they practice, they always have goals set for themselves. They have to be able to perfectly play a certain amount of a certain piece they are working on before they can call it quits. In relation to LSD, I'm sure you can make yourself have an "ego-loss" if you take enough. I know for sure I would trip my balls off if I had 5 hits of acid, and that I would probably attain "ego-loss", that's just not the way I like to go about it.

Different people are affected differently by Lucy, I think that goes without saying. Some people, like myself, just take drop and aren't really expecting anything except to trip and have a good time. Other people want to push the envelope, so they take a lot. It's all trivial matters though anyway.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.:cheers2:

 

"IT" just "IS"

 

I also wonder what different people consider "ego-death"
For me I feel it corresponds to a PLUS FOUR (++++) on Shulgin's scale.

"PLUS FOUR (++++)
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment."

Thats what I'm talking about as ego-dissolution.

 

try 4... I felt like an insect......... I heard my bones snap as I moved them.....