Long lasting anxiety/depression - the best/worst RCs?

I'm not sure how well AMT would work for anxiety. It would probably work fine in small doses, but it's supposedly very stimulating, from my understanding, which usually causes more anxiety. As far as depression goes though, it may work.

I don't really know what I'm talking about though, because I've never tried it.

 

Sounds like it makes sense; in my experience, methylphenidate (focalin stimulant for ADHD) helped depression (how can you be depressed when there is so much to do and you are being so productive?) but it also caused panic attacks at the right moments (before job interviews).

 

Xanonimity: I find Tramadol to be a very effective anti-depressant at doses of 250mg to 300mg. As an opiate its shit but its anti-depressant effects ar second to none (makes me feel like I am just on top of the world for 8 to 9 hours: I gain motivation, become more social, and just love life) Now of course this is just fake happiness but thats what you are looking for no?? I would try it once to just make sure though before you go buying a big script. For some people it sucks, for others like me (and I am not alone) it is my favorite synth opiate by far - in the same realm as IV morphine and it lasts soooo long. Like I said the opiate receptors get nothing on tramadol but the euphoric, I love life feeling it does give is awesome.

 

The benzo's I'll agree with as being no more than a band-aid. However SSRI's (even though I loathe them) can actually facilitate permanent change by increasing neuroplasticity...this, along with learning new behaviors ie anxiety management etc leads to long term, positive change.

 

Yeah its well documented that amp's have the ability to alleviate depression. There are actually a number of forward thinking doctors out there that will prescribe it for this off label purpose. (though, unfortunately, such doctors can be hard to find)

With anxiety issues, if you were going to take amp's, you'd want something with minimal peripheral sides such as dexedrine (as opposed to adderall)

Just a note, inderal would be very helpful for situations like you described above with the job interview. Google "inderal and speech." It, like many other meds (with zero abuse potential), is easily obtainable online.

 

Ultimately, the answer lies not in drugs, but in lifestyle changes. Things such as, healthy diet, exercise (increases neurogenesis), proper sleep hygiene, etc This plus, high dose fish oil (I would recommend Carlson's liquid...much better quality than most and very economical), and cognitive behavioral therapy will go a looooong way.

Not to say that a drug like an SSRI isn't useful, just that, ideally one would use it only as a catalyst for the CBT to increase neuronal rewiring with the intention of coming off of it someday. More or less making the best of the time that was spent on the drug.

I'm sure you're prob already aware of most or all of this,...but it's always good to get it out there just in case lol

 

Thanks for the advice. I have been interested in Tramadol and might look into that. I've been doing CBT forever and I need something more chemical to go with it.

The only thing I may try in the near future in terms of RCs would be methylone and butylone (bk-MDMA and bk-MBDB).

 

As I already said, I'll be getting some methylone in about a week.
I'll let you know what it's like, and if you could possibly benefit.
Though you may benefit more from butylone, as it's weaker.

 

Methylone (M1) is great, though I'm not sure if is anything that would help wrt neurogenesis etc.

You might look into Agomelatine, google groups has a good group called "Agomelatine Psychonauts" if you were interested in researching it.

 

Mother nature loves you and wants to help you if you choose her over Babylon.
There are tools for us to use that are free and natural.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAO-A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydroharmine

and then after you read those read this guys info, Ananda Bosman Hadronic Mechanics & Entheogens

 

after Mr. Writers recent trip report on AMT, it sounds like this may benefit you pretty well

 

yeah. unfortunately i am unable to find any scholarly sources on the actual use of Indopan, so I don't know how to go about testing it on myself. All i know is it was given in 5-10mg doses, which would make it a sinfully cheap antidepressant (im getting 1g for ~100$), however i don't know how often it was taken. Daily? But it has an afterglow of 3 ish days. And what about tryptamine tolerance? Perhaps it was taken weekly. Who knows?

just note that while you avoid all bad side effects of AMT with such a low dose, one thing you cannot avoid is the profound stimulation that comes with it. It may present with difficulty sleeping, and the need for another drug to facilitate this.

if anyone has access to the online medical articles please let me know.

 

I understand that I am new, but taking Tramadol to cure depression will be the biggest mistake of your life!! It is an opiate, and although the member that described using it said it was a weak opiate, he also described feeling on top of the world while on it. That's exactly what an opiate does, and if you feel that good on it then remember that everything it gives it will eventually take back.

Curing depression is simple but very difficult. I had it for years and was able to overcome in in the last two years through lifestyle changes and, most importantly, gaining control over my thoughts.

I tried the opiate route for depression because, for a period of time, it worked fantastically. But I knew I was addicted and deep down I knew that I was eventually going to run into a brick wall.

If you want to know what hell on earth is like, try getting off of opiates after you become physically addicted. Getting off of them is unavoidable as your tolerance will eventually increase to the point where your high becomes only a whisper of what it once was, plus you begin to feel and eventually act like a druggie - no matter how white collar or intelligent you think you are.

Then you can cold turkey the opiates and go through withdrawals for a week - which truly are like being in a torture chamber - and then after wards see an INCREDIBLE increase in your depression/anxiety for many months - plus powerful craving that will last years. Or you can go on suboxone/methadone - both of which work great at first because they keep you high. But then you will have to get off of those, or stay on them for the rest of your life. You can never reach your full potential on opiates, and every addict cursed the day they tried them for the first time.

If you really want to use something, I have heard ibogaine changes people's lives. I've been told it is "an intelligent plant spirit that will make you understand why you are here on this earth and give you a big shove in the right direction" - that's a quote from an e-mail my friend sent me.

But my best suggestion is make some big changes in your daily life - buy "The Power of Now" - and fight this depression like you would cancer.

Am I rambling?

 

Do you actually want to cure your problem or just get high?

 

Ayahuasca and ibogaine might get you high and cure you; that's what sparked my interest. And you don't need to keep taking them.

 

Dpt

 

seriously. 1 high dose dpt experience might successfully wipe away x% of your anxiety.

 

My antidepressent (SNRI) is effexor, its a phenethylamine...with some odd functional groups.

Anyway, most of these chems at low doses would probably increase various neurotransmitter concentrations in a stable way.

Theres info floating around of ayahuasca churches in middle/south America where violence has drastically fallen

 

I've explored a wide variety of supplements supposed to treat depression: 5-htp, St. John's Wart, Kava, Paxil, and SAMe. One supplement I've found which really helps is SAMe. I also indulge daily with weed, and have found myself to be more content and focused than I've felt in a long while.

My recent encounter with 2c-i however brought a new clarity to my thinking. While on 2c-i I almost feel hypomanic, my clarity of thought, energy, and focus all felt so refreshing. Has anybody explored any RCs for their nootropic effects? I use piracetam and aniracetam daily myself, and I find that they really help me stay in touch with my thoughts and thinking patterns.

 

I've tried many supplements and a few antidepressents in my time. One supplement that really stood out was rhodiola rosea. As a prior poster sugggested piracetam is also good if you intend to outsmart your depression thorough conscious control over actions which are directly inhibited by your depressed state. Sorry I have no experience with RCs can't give any advice in that, but I would suggest that if you want your recovery to be persistent to stay with the low doses.

Pot is good to keep yourself out of a depressed state for a short period, but seeing as how you don't remember much, if you did find reason not to be depressed or methods to work around it you would not retain it.