How many dried salvia leaves on average would you smoke to get a very slight effect, a medium effect, and a strong effect? I have a salvia plant but I've never tried to use it as a Psychedelic... I just don't want to trip major balls since I'm going to try it.. I would like to work my way up very slowly because Psychedelics scare me.. So far small amounts of marijuana are what I enjoy.
Yeah if you're scared to trip the Salvia is going to wipe the floor with you..stick to what you're doing, and when you're ready to explore deeper take the plunge. You don't want to do it if you're not ready. If psychedelics scare you, this isn't going to help.
Well I want to have the experience but I would want to ease into it... Marijuana scared the heck out of me when I first tried it but over time with small amounts I have grown to love it. I hear that salvia is measured in levels and I would like to start at the first level.. Here's a link that explains the levels: http://canadiansalvia.synthasite.com/ "Level - 1 "S" stands for SUBTLE effects. A feeling that "something" is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure" I think an experience like that would be a nice start in understanding this plant.. and "Level - 2 "A" stands for ALTERED perception. Colors and textures are more pronounced. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short-term memory difficulties may be noted." Would be, if anything comparable to the feeling of relaxation, happiness, and confusion marijuana brings, would be nice two. I basically really want to experience more but I want to start off very low on the chain... If this plant just doesn't work like that and it's either a full blown trip or nothing I'll probably not try it.. But if it's anything like the levels described above I want to try it.. For example Marijuana for me (depending on sativa or indica) Starts first with feeling a little more relaxed... then you may start to slightly trip up... then you start to get a feeling over your body.... you start to not be able to really feel the breath enter your lungs, pain is decreased, you start to trip up and can't correct yourself (as in the 'You're in the Box'), Then if you go farther time seems to be slower and slower and you move slowly.. The first time I tried it I got the trainwreck experience.. where your walking and all of the sudden you almost fall on your face, lol. I hated that.. and it scared me, but I tried it again going slowly 'instead of smoking the heck out of it like everyone else seems to do' and eased into the levels and since I was expecting it it was a really nice experience and now I can't get enough of it.
If you want to experience it without getting full blown effects, then yeah you can sprinkle a tiny bit into a bowl and maybe not even hold it in for a long time. It's not just an increased high with trippy effects though..it isn't really a high at all..don't let weed trick you into thinking smoking salvia is anything close to the same thing. Those levels explained there aren't far off, but I don't see the sexual pleasure part in level 1, maybe that's just me.
Hmm.. I see.. Well when you say a tiny bit exactly how much dried leaf is that? Like cut out a piece of leaf the size of a quarter and break it up in a bowl?
I would like to point out that you want to make sure that your plant is actually Salvia divinorum and not some other species of Salvia (there are many). Others can help with how much, but I can tell you, despite only having one experience with it that what you'll experience from a small amount isn't anything like what you'll experience when you take enough to actually trip. It's not like a weaker experience. You either get a buzz or you trip. They're distinctly different experiences from everything I've heard. I've had a good bit of experience with hallucinogens and I was completely unprepared for the Salvia experience. And if there's one piece of wisdom I can pass along, is listen to others about this: If you're scared of it, don't do it. You need to be very comfortable with what you're getting into or you may very well have a really bad trip. If I might suggest, though you'll still be unprepared for salvia, a moderate dose of shrooms done in a really positive setting would be a better place to start with hallucinogens. That's my personal opinion. Despite the longer trip, I think you'll be much more likely to have a good first trip and that may help you build up the confidence to do Salvia.
Oh, there's no doubt about that. But like I said, I've had experience with other hallucinogens (LSD and shrooms), so not entirely uninitiated. I was very comfortable with doing the salvia (based on the incorrect conclusion that my previous experiences would somehow prepare me). But I was completely unprepared for the effects. I don't think there's any way to really be ready for that level of intensity or realism until you've experienced it. My wife wants to try it (probably tonight). She's never tripped before. I have to say I'm a bit concerned about how it's going to go, so I'm trying to at least get the environment as good as possible.
Just have her sitting/laying in a comfortable spot in a quiet, familiar room, the bedroom or living room would work fine..turn out the lights, just make everything pitch black, you don't want her trip to be dominated by a tv or even a computer monitor or anything like that because neither of you would have complete control over the reaction to that.. Put on good, happy music..I'm sure you're familiar with this kind of thing though. The Beatles are my personal favorites but that holds true for every drug..the musical numbers on Yellow Submarine are amazing on salvia.. Other than that, explain to her the effects and how she's about to completely lose grip with reality, but if she's ready for it and accepts everything that's happening to her she'll be fine..the feeling of melting or being pulled in different directions by supernatural forces should not be fought against or even given a second thought to, the music (and sweating) will probably play into this aswell but it can be a beautiful thing if dealt with correctly and can give her a good focus during the trip.. tell her to just stay calm, do her best to remember it is just HER and YOU in the room (that's very, very important to keep in mind and the idea of it can still be lost completely) to try to think of it as a deep meditation rather than an uncomfortable, confused feeling that a lot of people get. As far as you're concerned, again probably something you know already, but be a good sitter. You don't want to be part of the reason for a bad trip, or even interfere with anything happening to her. During my first trip, after rushing the hit almost spontaneously, my sitter was still talking to me as my trip began and I didn't get a full, peaceful experience (my fault, but if he wasn't there it would have been different). On the second trip, a bad one, every time my sitter would say my name whatever was happening to me in the trip (don't ask) would intensify, to the point where I looked him in the face (or so I thought) and tried to get out the words "whatever you do, don't say my name" mid-trip. I could swear I got the words "whateverrrr youuuu doooooooooo" out and then just began babbling, but he claims nothing like that happened. In other words, the sitter could have an effect, even if they are doing almost absolutely nothing. It's all about how you interpret your senses during your trip. I wouldn't touch her, speak to her, nothing, just lay/sit next to her and allow her to be taken wherever she goes.
The plant is salvia.. It was my understanding that you could take just enough to get a very small experience to see if you want to go further into it.. I saw a video of this guy taking 3 bong hits of 5x salvia extract and it lasted about 2 minutes.. he was still very much in touch with reality but his legs felt different and his perception of reality was described as slanted... but anyhow I figure that this plant if taken in small doses can give a slight experience of what it's like.. that's basically what i want to experience.. but I probably wont considering I can't get enough information about the plant.. I mean I have the plant and everything but Hey.. do I take the entire plant down and smoke it lmao...(I wouldn't want to do that cause I would be in another dimension, not in reality at all, and f that..) I heard you can smoke the leaves of the plant and wanted to know how many leaves to dry and crush up into a splif to get the very slight effects of the plant to see if I wanted to go further into the other dimension or however you explain it.. But anyhow, Unless I find detailed information about the plant I'll just leave it alone... I might look more into the store bought 5x extract and see what exactly that does and how much of it to smoke to get a slight cool experience that doesn't last very long.. "I was very comfortable with doing the salvia (based on the incorrect conclusion that my previous experiences would somehow prepare me). But I was completely unprepared for the effects. I don't think there's any way to really be ready for that level of intensity or realism until you've experienced it." The above quote, If it is this different from anything I can imagine.. I might not touch it at all... I guess i'll do some more research on the effects in depth and learn more about it.. But for a while at least i'm sticking with other herbs..
The Mazatecs create an infusion from squeezing the juices from the fresh leaves. 20 pairs of leaves for a medium dose. Remember to treat the plant with respect!
Don't drink or smoke it, try rolling a bunch of the leaves up and chewing for as long as you can, letting it absorb into your gums. This will make it much longer though (so I hear), let me know how it goes! Tis what I would do if I had a plant. If you do really want to smoke it, you will definately want to prepare an extraction. Do your research! Then again if you are beginning, I heavily recommend zee mushroom. My fungal friends never fail... :cheers2: ^^I think the mazatecs may have drank it (I read a few reports of that), but I would chew the leaves.
I would suggest clipping 10, equally sized leaves and then chewing them in a Quid. Salvia is not naturally orally active but it can absorb through your gums and because its a trully powerful Plant it doesn't take much! Then once you get a little more comfortable you can start to increase the dose. Just remember, when consuming orally that it will last roughly 45 min. with after effects reaching 90 min. Another option would be to do some reaserch on how to create a smoking extract. When properly educated you can choose exactly which potency you wish to make and consume. This is a very powerful Plant Spirit, so please aproach it with respect. May your possiblities be unlimited and your imagination keen :biggrinjester:
Great post, was just going to suggest it. OP, keep in mind that while the quid effects you for longer, it's much easier to get a much lighter experience. What others have said is true, if you're frightened to try then the plant may just not be for you. But at least this way you can "step into" the experience. Keep in mind also that, with the lower doses, you won't have strong visuals, but there will be a change in your perception, so no driving or anything dumb like that. Also, I've noticed in myself a bit of a dis inhibiting effect in myself, where my impulse control sort of falters.
Are the quidding effects that low? In a full blown experience, there's no such thing as putting a key into an ignition to start a car..it's more like "so no standing or anything dumb like that"
