Religous Veiws

Ive been thinking alot about religion these days, ive been playing around wiht new beliefs and all that other stuff.

Catholic-I was born and raised a catholic, but i started dwindling away from religion during the age when i started questioning things, a really young age at that, i forget when it was that i proposed the question of where does time go to my dad and actually studying my reality from time to time......Anyways i was always fasicinated with the Jesus, Mary and Joseph thing...Jesus to me is the ultimate Human, and i respect that relgion so much more these days and i pray all the time these days.

Reincarnation- This is where my beliefs in Catholicism start to be questioned...Iam a big believer in reincarntion and karma and all that other stuff...My question is if its allright to take a peice from all religions and basically create my own....Jesus was way too much of a superstar to be thrown out of my life, Infact i ask for forgiveness from time to time just because hes the only one that has that much power and it amazes me the amount of following he has...So i pray to Jesus but i believe in reincarnation and karma and past lives and first lives and stuff.

What are your beliefs?

I always contradict myself in this topic because its something i always think about and something i can never pick right on.

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My belief is religion is the business of spirituality, which is a negative thing.

 

no and if you do i wont be your friend anymore.

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I'm a Luciferian. (Please note I said "Luciferian" and NOT "Satanist", which is completely different. Many people mix them up and it really annoys me.) In many pre-christian religions, Lucifer was seen as the Light Bearer, the one who brings freedom and knowledge. Ancient Greeks thought he was the driver of the Star's Trolley, driving the Gods in the sky.

I personally stick to this image of Light Bearer. The only motto of this religion is: do as you please, but be responsive. It means taking responsibility for your actions and their consequences, good or bad. It also means to think before you act about the consequences of your actions on other living beings and nature, not to harm them uselessly. In this religion, there's no tempter such as christianism for example, where you could blame Satan for making you do bad stuff. Nope. If you did something bad you're the only one to blame, that was your decision. It forces you to become responsive and assume what you've done instead of trying to blame an external factor to justify yourself (which is childish to my point of view).

There's no taboo or demonization of any kind about natural things such as sexuality, birth, death, emotions, Nature, mysteries of the Universe, etc., because we are free. Our god doesn't ask us to do what he says or else we'll go to hell! We would never accept for a god to rule our lives anyways. On the other hand, surprisingly for most, this is not about free-for-all, chaos or anarchy: it's all about fairness, responsability, free-will, discipline, understanding and respect. Knowledge and education are highly encouraged, genders are equal in rights and consideration, there's no guilt about natural feelings (lust, anger, self-consciousness, envy, etc.), we are also highly encouraged to be the best person we can possibly be.

I hope I don't scare you away.

 

You can forgive your self, somebody you do wrong can also forgive you. Jesus reminds me of the saying, "the blind leading the blind". If you can't see your will smack dab in front of you then you are already lost, by choice mind you. Total opposite of Buddha, another being of light, but Buddha knows that you too can be as bright as he. That is what I live by, I don't claim any religion, but I will claim that I know right from wrong and I know what to do to be a bright light and not act like I need forgiveness, because I am happy and content in all I do and if I want something I will go about it in an impeccable manner.

 

The spirit lives on forever man, even if earth was destroyed, the spirit continues to live.

I would see that as interesting.

Since it was put like that iam sorry for even mentioning the idea, please forgive me mr.writer, please man, you and a few others is all i have these days. lol

 

Actually the concept of Lucifer as the light bearer is a Biblical concept and has it's origins there.

 

"When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?"
Isaiah 14:12

Read in particular the red highlighted part. Lucifer is the fallen Son of Dawn, light bringer image in which you speak of. Only the name Lucifer comes from Latin, and directly means "light bringer".
The original Hebrew phrase "הילל בן־שׁחר" means Morning star, son of dawn.

 

Im agreeing with you, however spirituality (positive) is exploited by the business of spirituality (religion (negative)). Therefore religion is nothing more than cultural interpretation of the misunderstood aspects of spirituality, which allow people to kill, descriminate and judge in the name of a higher power for their own gain.

 

thought i'd post this because i've always liked it...

A university student while visiting Gasan asked him: "Have you ever read the Christian Bible?"
"No, read it to me," said Gasan.
The student opened the Bible and read from St. Matthew: "And why take ye thought for rainment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow. They toil not, neither do they spin, and yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these... Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself."
Gasan said: "Whoever uttered those words I consider an enlightened man."
The student continued reading: "Ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. For everyone that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened."
Gasan remarked: "That is excellent. Whoever said that is not far from Buddhahood."


i don't really consider myself anything formally, i do too much that breaks too many "rules", but a lot of my philosophy on spiritually is in line with Buddhism. but like i said i definitely wouldn't call myself a Buddhist because i just wouldn't feel right saying that.


i do have a lot of respect for most religions and their basic teachings, but i get turned off when i feel like it's getting carried away.

 

I tend to call myself a Zenner, which is a combination of "Zen" and "sinner."

I am by no means a Buddhist. I don't follow (some) of the precepts, nor do I completely agree with everything that has come down in the sutras; however, most of the underlying philosophy of Buddhist proper, and Zen in particular, suits me perfectly. I try to combine Zen philosophy--especially the aspects of not-striving, not-resisting, and non-attachment--with a postmodern Western attitude, which itself owes a good deal to Zen. It really saddens me when people talk about how this or that action is "Zen," when they do not have the slightest idea of what Zen is or how any action aligns with Zen practice and philosophy. Unfortunately, this symptom is common and highly contagious.

Anyway, being a Zen-sinner is something like being a Vamachara in Hinduism: I may do many things that stand beyond the pale of traditional Zen practice, but I do them in such a way as to shed attachment to the physical plane. Any action--decadent or banal--aims at transcending common human boundaries. I have always been fond of Left-Hand Path philosophies, so trying to combine those ideas with Zen isn't so foreign or ridiculous as it might seem.

 

Religion.... Itsallgood, you know better than that. You don't need anybody else's doctrine to find peace. To each their own I guess, if it brings you peace. Seems like some nostalgia and sentimental value going on there.

 

All religions have a core of truth to them. Even though they've been horribly manipulated through the years.

You can be religious without having a religion. The worlds religion should be truth! There is great truth that lies behind all this. People such as Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, Muhammad, they all experienced the same truth, but the people who interpret it mix it all up.

I say I have no religion, but I also say I am all religions. I take from buddhism, christianity, hinduism, all of them. These religions can help you understand, but to really know for your self you must meditate, and you must go inside yourself and find the truth within.

Once you have gone inside you can understand what all the religions are talking about. Then the expereicnes and the scriptures compliment eachother, each helps the other out. You are driving the car with the map. You can get to your destination without having a map, but you cannot get there without the vehicle. Meditation is your vehicle.

Look for the gurus who pertain to no religion, they will speak the truth, they can help you find true religion.

 

I could say a lot on this but nah.

To sum up my spiritual beliefs I'd use the word "pantheistic" not to be confused with polytheistic (although I don't write that off). basically einstein's and carl sagan's beliefs. The unifying principle among pantheists is that we don't recognize an isolated, separate being as god, but rather god is interwoven with physical reality. One in the same.

When it comes to day to day morality, there's not anything complicated. Kindness, tolerance, love, patience, etc. Galatians 5:22-23 comes to mind. But I think it's good to stand up for yourself when needed. For example if you let yourself be bullied or mistreated, you encourage the person to treat more people that way, or not. depends on the person I guess.

 

live life the same way you beat your heart

 

I always get a chuckle whenever somebody says something like the above quote, it just shows me that they don't know the subject matter in regards to Jesus.
If you read the gospel accounts of the life and actions of Jesus and just take it at face value without trying to make it conform to your idea of what it means or fit it in with some other religious system you will see that Jesus is unique among them.
Don't just pull little tidbits out of context and such, but the whole account, beginning to end at face value with the apparent meanings of the words used. Simple.

No other religious founder made the claims about who they were and their origins and purpose that Jesus did.
If you read it and just take what he claimed about himself at face value without trying to fit it into some preconceived mold than you are really only left with three possibilities about who Jesus was/is.

1) He was a liar and a con man and was well aware of it.
2) He was terribly deluded and psychotic or schizophrenic.
3) He was exactly who he claimed to be, God.

Those 3 possible conclusions are arrived at by a rational and logical examination of the records we have available.

And the proving point of his claims rest on whether or not the resurrection actually occurred as recorded in the Bible.
But that is a whole other topic.

 

and what exactly would need to be proven, dear disciple thomas?

 

The things that Jesus said about who he is and his purpose for being here. If you want more specifics, go read the gospels.
If you are not inclined to investigate it for yourself then this discussion is essentially over.

 

i was talking about thomas the nonbeliever...

"And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, 'Peace be with you.' Then he said to Thomas, 'Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing.' Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God!' Jesus said to him, 'Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

 

OK, our reference has got me a bit confused
Not really sure what your'e trying to say.