Apparently vegetarians aren't "suppoused to" tell people about the horrors of killing animals. "isn't polite" is a better word, actually. Like beng a vegetarian is something that isn't right, but should only be done if you prefer it. Some one is eating a burger, and the vegetarian would say something like, "Did you know that they hung that cow upside down and slit his throat until it choked on its own blood?" The person says either a. "Shut up, I'm eating my food. You be a vegetarian, but don't preach to me." b. "Stop, you'll ruin my dinner." c. "That's sad. Don't talk about it." But what if I said "did you know that black people were once slaves?" People are sad. But sad because they are enraged, not because they don't want ot hear about it. and yes yes, I know this is a part of our culture. That's well eatablished. But I don't see how I am suppoused to be okay with this. These animals, LLIVING CREATURES, who some of which are more sensitive to smell, touch, or hearing than we are, are kept in these unimagineable conditions, and die an extremely inhumane and bloody death. Billions are killed each year, like some spiecies genocide, but nobody seems to care. I can't think it is okay that a person is willing to treat an animal like this. It's disgusting. Why are vegetarians so open minded to the fact that people can eat that burger, knowing how it is made, and not care? It makes me cry (and it kind of is making me right now) thinking that this is happening, and so many unheard cries are out there, and that there is probably (in my opinion) more suffering in this animal cruelty than cruelty towards other human beings in history. Call me some small minded vegetarian, but it is not okay. It's just not okay for this to be ignored, and to be ignored by people like my friends, your typical person. THEY ARE LIVING CREATURES WITH FEELINGS
People still have the right to do what they want. If it doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother them. You do what you want to do, and leave everyone else alone. It makes perfect sense. Some people are interested in discussing it intelligently, debating, etc. Talk to them, but don't go around trying to ruin people's meals and shit. That's immature and stupid, and it's probably doing more harm than good.
well I don't ruin people's meals, just so you know. it may have seemed like I do. I don't trust me. But why should I leave people alone if they choose to eat the flesh of an animal that has been treated like this But I shouldn't leave them alone and stop what they're doing if they treat a person like that It may not bother the person but it bothers the animal Why is it okay for people to continue to do this, and by doing this, support it? It really disgusts me (like I said) that it is okay to treat an animal like this, and to tell someone otherwise is considered rude. I do keep these things to myself, I'm posting it on here though because that way I won't be "ruining someone's meal"
Why not instead of just abandoning meat, you instead only support organic grass-fed local meat from farms where you can go and see that the animals are treated decently?
I go to school right near a farm like that, I know these farms exist. And I do appreciate them for being humane. I'm not blind to the fact that these farms exist. I feel more energetic when I don't eat meat! It's much healthier. And I don't eat my friends. That's why I totally abandon it.
i say if people want to learn about it, go ahead and tell them! but i dont support going around and ruining peoples meals.. Wether we like it or not it is a personal choice to eat or not eat meat
It is their choice to be eating what they want, so repect that. If they are interested, fine. But, untill they ask, don't preach!
Look at it this way: you probably do or fail to do things that others could challenge you on. No one's perfect, so just be careful. I admit I occasionally pull an "eww" when someone's eating meat. I guess that's because we believe in it strongly enough to be vegetarian ourselves, but there was a time when most of us were not. Don't get me wrong - I agree with you, but the longer you're a vegetarian you'll learn to accept that people are defensive and you won't win them over with that approach. You can put the information out there but, ultimately, they have to decide whether or not they're going to look the other way.
Some people just can't go veg. I get physically sick when I so much as taste broth, but I have a friend who has the same reaction to most vegetables and has for most of his life. It's all meat and starches for him. My husband eats the same things I do, so he gets all of the proteins, but for some reason if he doesn't supplement it with the OCCASIONAL meat, he gets all sorts of sick. I have to remind him to get a chicken sandwich or burger when we go out. He only needs about one or two servings a week, but those seem to be important to his well-being. He doesn't like to go too far beyond those few servings, though. As for me, full-on veganism is right out. I need dairy especially, or I'll be keeled over within a week. Eggs are a boost that nothing has yet replaced, too. I am experimenting with how much dairy I need, but so far at least three servings daily seem to be needed. As for the preaching, in theory it would seem like a good idea but the effects are similar to those fundamentalist Christians who keep showing up at my campus screaming and waving those "You are all God's enemies and going to hell" signs. They make the whole cause look like a freakshow, and usually wind up sending a few Christians into atheism out of pure shame. It's counterproductive in the worst way. I keep having to explain to people that yes, I am a vegetarian and no, I am neither mentally ill nor secretly packing pamphlets with pictures of the Bovine Auschwitz for them, and I had that leather jacket long before I stopped eating meat and it would be wasteful to chuck it and buy an organic cotton one so please leave it alone. The best part is that those who have been exposed to the Vegan Preachers will get more offensive about eating meat than those who have not when I mention my dietary habits. I'm talking about people who start audibly enjoying their bacon cheeseburgers to the point of making a sandwich sound erotic. They weren't that enthused BEFORE they saw that I was eating a veggieburger, and if I laugh at them (because they look and sound like bloody morons) they do the whole "DON'T JUDGE ME, PETA BITCH!" routine. I'm not in PETA. Those unexposed may actually ask to taste my sandwich, say it tastes good, and ask how vegetarianism works. The absolute best results come from sharing meat-free recipes and suggesting alterations to meat recipes. Although my favorite story is trying to work at a hotel that was hosting a beef farmer's convention. They kept trying to sell me on the flavor benefits of genetically enhanced cows or hormone treated cows or whatever the beef fads are now. I said "Thanks, but I'm a vegetarian. None of your sales pitches can really help me," and all of a sudden was the Antichrist. "Oh, no! What are you doing to us? You're ruining our entire business and way of life!" So, apparently, one person's denial of the dead animal does make a difference. That or they thought I was going to firebomb the convention. Another suggestion: Most people do not care about animal cruelty. It's sad, but true. I didn't even take it seriously until some time after I started looking into vegetarianism. What got me was the human aspect. How much grain goes into the production of meat? How many starving humans could have been fed with that grain? What is the production of meat doing to the environment? The gas shortage? How many meat-production hormones appear in their kids' bodies? What are those hormones doing to us? Have you noticed how early puberty is hitting kids these days? None of these answers will let a halfway concerned human sleep at night, or look at that steak the same way again. P.S. I know the hormones get in the dairy too, but not in nearly the same amounts. As for eggs, mine come from a man who raises chickens as pets. He as happy, healthy, friendly, spoiled rotten birdies that make tastier eggs. Now I want pet chickens too.
Shut the fuck up if someone doesn't want to hear it. Sure, you have freedom of speech but some people don't want vegans preaching to them about the 'horrors of killing animals'. It's like a sober person preaching of the 'dangers' of pot.
This is a bit rude. I get what you are saying but no need to slap the OP down. Nobody likes to be preached at. What I find that works is leading by example. Next time you are invited to a dinner, BBQ, party, bring and cook your healthy vegan/veggie stuff. This way people get a first hand experience of a delicious meal harm free and may even ask you later about your path. It works for me. JMTC FN
I know exactly what you mean about the anti-vegans who have 'heard it all before', its as if they have arguments and hatred stored up ready for the next vegan.. I laugh at the people who do that with their meat food (some are my friends, and I know they are joking to wind me up xD in a nice way ) I know I know more than they do about certain things- so with those shovanistic meat-eaters I have the moral high ground ^^ Paragraph 2 is why I'm so glad to be vegan xD My partner has chickens, and they are so cool I want some xD
Oh, well friendly goofiness is something entirely different. My purely carnivorous friend and I make big shows of eating together just to crack each other up. On a sillier note, has anyone heard about a restaurant in New Zealand called Murderburger? They officially cater to those who have been exposed to the preachers, making HUGE fun of PETA. They serve free-range meat, last I heard, but specifically market it as dead animals.There's a masochist part of me that wants to go to NZ and get a job there us so I can wait tables while wearing a button that says "Token Vegetarian." I am so bad. . . :cheers2:
You can't force it on people, just makes them hate us. They will choose to ignore you anyway, it's the type of people they are, comeon' they eat meat. Don't waste your time. I agree if people want to know and ask questions, then let them have it..... but otherwise i would keep quiet.
I hear you! In one sense I feel that each person has their own freedom to choose vegetarianism or not. On the other hand I feel that meat eaters should at least have a general knowledge of what is happening to these animals. It's really sad. I comfort myself with the fact that I have nothing to do with animals suffering. It feels good to know that I do not fund or support that in anyway!
you sound like one of "those christians" always trying to save my soul so i dont go to hell---keep doing it and people will learn to avoid you
Also, are you saying black people are the same as animals? Poor choice of words, especially when that argument doesn't tie into your original at all.
