Suboxone + Mushrooms = ?

Ok. So here is a little background about me. I'm 20 years old. I'm a recovering drug addict and I have been clean for 1 year and 4 months from everything. I have mitral valve prolapse thanks to DXM and CPM. I'm on beta blockers for my heart and I take Suboxone which helps me stay clean. I used to take very high doses of DXM+CPM daily, I've done DMT, 2C-B, 5-MeO-DMT, and lots of other drugs recreationally. I damaged my cognitive motor skills pretty badly. But i've been doing really good here lately. And I think I owe myself a break. I'm also paranoid 24/7 because I was always on DXM. Alot of bad stuff has happened in my life.. And to be honest, i don't know how I'm still alive. If it wasn't for God I would be here today..

Recently, I've just smoking weed again. It helps me relax after a long week of college. I have really been wanting to do Ayahuasca for a while. I know where to get some. I talked to my doctor about it because I really want to get in touch with my religion. He says if I do ayahuasca again, My brain will have to start all over to recover again. So I was wondering, What would happen if I take mushrooms? How long do I need to wait after I take my last dose of suboxone before I start messing around with psychadelics again? IDK if my doctor is trying to scare me or not. But he says if I do any drug with Suboxone he doesn't know what will happen because some of the drugs have never been studied like that. He says it would more than likely be a bad outcome. But I'm not looking to use this stuff recreationally. I'm a Christian. And recently i've started to lose my faith. I'm hoping this will help me because I really don't want to go to hell. I did stop smoking weed because I would have panic attacks, but here lately i've just been able to chill out with good friends and just relax and bullshit around. The people i hang with now give me good vibes. Does anyone know what I should do? Any advice would be well appreciated. Thanks.

 

Anyone? Ha.

 

You just need some ativan or valium for the anxiety; you'll be fine with the weed in the future.

I think mushrooms and suboxone is fine. Suboxone is just a long acting opiate and I'm pretty sure plenty of people do shrooms and opiates or have done it.

Doctors will always say they don't know the effects because there haven't been studies done... that's because no studies will ever be done with the effect of psychedelics on medications.

He could say the same thing for patting your tummy and rubbing your head while on suboxone - there haven't been studies done on that, and it could be dangerous.

 

Ohhhh I see. Well I'm just saying.. He told me not to drink on it.. But I know someone that was drinking with it last night.. And the only thing that happened was that they threw up.

I think to be safe I should just stop taking the suboxone a couple of days before I prepare for the trip.

And i'll ask him about the anxiety. I've had many bad trips and thats the problem.. Like for instance, I don't like hearing what a semi truck sounds like when its driving past you.. Makes me nervous for some reason.

 

Doctors don't know shit about "illegal drugs". But i'd look on erowid for a possible mushroom+suboxone trip report. I bet you'd be fine as there are lots of worse combinations i've seen friends do and they lived. But as to losing your faith and hoping mushrooms will save you from hell I don't know about that. I don't mean to annoy you because *i'm not religious at all* but maybe you lost your faith because you don't believe in Christianity, but your trying to make yourself? Idk it seems to make sense to me. I'm sorry if that upsets you! Seriously and my bad, I did not mean anything by it. I don't know if you were baptised but maybe you could look into that to be saved? Or if you were, maybe being re-baptised and starting fresh and living in a way that would please god would put you back on the *right path*. Even without baptism I don't think it's ever too late to make a change for the better. I doubt god would deny you your entrance to heaven if you proved to him heaven is where you want to be, and you changed to get there. I wish you luck, good health and good vibes! May they always be with you dude.

 

If it's true that you wouldn't be here if it weren't for god, then it's also true that baby's & good men & women that have died, would not have died if it weren't for god.

Let me break it down...you are not here because of god. Dumb luck is more like it. Even if your god does exist, whether you live or die is up to you, and chance. If you fuck up and die, that's on you. If you get hit by lightening, that's chance; shit happens. God does not have any part of any specific events in our lives. He did not help you win that football game. He did not kill that soldier, or allow that car bomb to go of. He doesn't affect the outcome of the events that humans perpetuate. That's why good people die every day. That's why baby's die. Not because 'god has called them up to heaven'. What a crock of shit.

My dad is a Baptist preacher. I studied religion in High School. I studied Philosophy and Religion in College. My conclusion? It's all a bunch of BS.

Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. -Seneca

Now that we have that squared away, let's talk drugs...

Considering your situation I think you need to avoid the drugs man. Anything more that weed is going to be a serious detriment to your health. Even weed is questionable at this point.

You made the awful decision to do a ton of DMX for a long period of time. Your destiny is in your hands. Are you going to flush your future, your health? Or will this be a moment you look back on with pride at having made the right decision? This is your defining moment. It's all up to you now. Don't look to 'god', look within. Do you have the inner strength to do the right thing for your body & mind? I hope so. Good luck.

 

^amazing advise^

thoughts like that and psychedelics helped me get over my opiate addiction...though it's still something i think about every day.

 

Hmmm. I see.. I guess i'm just confused.. But I do believe in God and I do Believe that Jesus Died for me. I mean. All the bad things that happens in life. Thats satan. Wars, Murders, rapings, Thats not God. Thats satan. God is pure and holy. God only wants whats best for us. Everything that has happened has happened for a reason. And I'm not a baptist. I don't believe you have to be dunked under water to be saved. I was told by many and in my heart I believe that if you believe that Jesus died for you, And that you are a sinner. AND if you repent for your sins you are saved. Nobody is perfect. Everyone sins, If you repent though you are saved. :]

The drugs part, I was heavily on drugs, But it got worse after my girlfriend died. She was my first love. She died in a car wreck 3 days after it happened. My drug usage got worse after that. To put it bluntly. I was doing anything I could find to stay away from reality to avoid the pain of her being gone. I was kind of like pink floyd the wall movie to give you a good idea of how those 2 years were. DXM was my drug. I was taking over 1000mgs a day at most. But It had that CPM in it.

I'm not going to lie. A part of me that likes drugs wants to do it for recreational purposes.. a part of me wants to experience that feeling again of being super happy and shit. But I mean.. All these people who live in my town.. Drink.. smoke.. and have fun. I've been sitting at my house every weekend for over a year not hanging out with anyone just to be clean.. and it makes me feel like i'm missing out. But at the same time I don't want to fuck my body up and my future to become a Addiction Psychitrist.

 

If you are taking suboxone, you are not clean. If your a drug addict its either your clean or not. Your rationalizing this by saying suboxone helps you stay clean. That doesnt make sense. If you have had problems with drugs I would highly reccomend that you NOT DO THEM AT ALL. Drugs fucked you up, why on earth would you do more drugs?

 

Im sorry to hear that brother. That's truly sad and fucked up how things like that happen without our control. Although I won't say it's an excuse for your over the top drug usage (I never say anything is an excuse for that), it's understandable and I could see me, and many others, go down the same route. I hope time has healed the pain, or at least made it easier. If you struggle with the inner strength or have trouble finding the strength to persevere through the hard times, do it for her. I highly doubt she would want that road for you. Just think of it as "gambling" your chances away of ever seeing her again. I hope you find your way man. Take it easy bro,

 

OP how long were you with her?

 

9 months.

And Technically I have been clean if you really think about. Just because I've been taking suboxone doesn't necessarily mean i'm still doing drugs. Suboxone was MADE exactly for the purpose of being clean. It has helped me do so. I mean really, i could sit here and say all day that I don't do drugs. But I take alot of medication to be normal now.

Would it actually hurt for me to do mushrooms just once? I mean.. Ayahuasca. Thats different. I understand why that would fuck up all the progress i've made over the years. But mushrooms? Come on.. How would that mess me up? I mean.. Where are the facts at?

Does me being like this mean I can't do anymore drugs for the rest of my life? Cause if it does, I don't want to live. Ha. Just being honest. I am definately a drug addict. I know. I couldn't imagine life without my suboxone. Ha. And thats really sad I know. One day I will try to ween off of it.. And see how it works out.

 

Anyone else have any advice?

 

About fucking yourself up with drugs.

I personally think weed is healthy and is probably helping you heal. Of course smoking it might not be the best, probably ideal to invest in a vaporizer. But I always feel like weed helps me heal.

Personally I'd feel like suboxone is doing more damage to my body than weed. I really don't like the feeling of any opiate.

As for mushrooms. Mushrooms have only ever helped me. But I also take the utmost care and respect for them, and make sure my intentions are very pure. Not to say yours aren't, but its something to think about. When it comes to magick intention is typically for all instances more important than the act itself. Do you want to go to a better version of you, or elsewhere? Keep in mind, better might require even more pain.

 

how is ayahuasca different from mushrooms to you?


the facts are at erowid.org and in various literature


mushrooms and ayahuasca can both potentially mess you up only mentally.

---although i'm not clear on your specific physical conditions---


taking psychedelics outside of traditional settings, and inside our western society is always going to be risky business. society and psilocybin exist in dissonance with eachother.

coupled with what seems to me to be a fragile emotional state.

you could potentially freak out- hard.



I'd say you are on the right path, without mushrooms. you have made it sober over a year.
be happy with your natural states of consciousness. it's good to be alive.



go to school, and learn, and live life with good vibes.


however, an interesting article on that church experiment with psilocybin

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_article1.shtml


that is the new one, there is an old one, but i can't seem to find it, and it's 4:30 am almost.


good luck with life

 

I find weed the most shitty drugs there is. I'd rather do psyche or stim or anything else than weed....

Also Opiate + Shrooms ain't so dangerious combo... just have fun.

 

Rygoody - I'm always very nervous. I was always tweaking on DXM and CPM that i've been made a very nervous person. But lately I've been wanting to do something to help me get in touch with myself and my religion. Whenever I started freaking out, I would 2nd guess anything I just took. Like smoking weed or take Acid.. I would have the worst night ever. Because I would keep asking myself in my head, "Whats going to happen, What am I going to feel." And when it hit me.. It would make me want to kill myself. But i'm sure now I can control it if i'm around good friends who support me and what i'm doing. The reason i've been able to smoke is because i've been taking one hit from a blunt just enough to feel the high and i'm good. Do you think it will be a big jump for me to do mushrooms?

Vapordude - I've had many cat scans do ever since i've started to clean up. I did a serious amount of damage to my cerebral cortex. I see stuff differently then people.. Something I think i'm not even here.. if i look straight ahead and I can't see myself.. I have to look at myself to know that i'm here. to know that i'm not just looking and that i'm nothing. Also. Loud noises from machinery scare me. Idk why. I have over 1000 good trips from many drugs. But i've also had at least 40 bad ones. I have a heart condition now. My heart thinks its supposed to beat super fast to beat normal.. when it really don't due to the dxm. I have to take something to slow it down and keep it at a normal pace.. I have to force it to stay normal.

kobilica - My doctor said it would be suicide to combine suboxone with any drug. It has never been studied so he doesn't know what will happen. Especially with my brain. My brain is altered in such a way that he would have to cut me open and study it to figure me out. But, I think I would be able to handle a trip if I wanted to better my mental state. I'm think thats the only way to get me from being so nervous. I plan on doing it around my bestfriend. So he can help me through it. Its not going to be easy. I know that. But if i don't ever try then i'll just be paranoid for the rest of my life. It could make me worse.. But who knows what will happen?

 

Also. While your on DXM your emotions are deeper.. I went through alot of bad shit on DXM. MY girlfriend dying, Me trying to killmyself, Me getting jumped by alot of black people, Losing good friends, Hurting my parents, Me getting done just plain wrong by people who didn't like me... Also me losing someone I fell in love with.. Was sent to the nuthouse, Sent to jail twice over her as well.. Long story.

 

psychedelic drugs have potential to be amazingly profound. i also believe they have potential to complicate things pretty badly.

all things aside, you're only 20 years old... with everything that you mentioned has been going on, do you really think that drugs are a good place to turn, and that you have it within you to get out of them something that you can really, honestly carry with you for a long time afterward and use to make your life better?

i really don't mean to sound harsh or anything but psychedelic drugs are both profoundly influential, and not something that every single person in the world can immediately benefit from.

you know what you want and you know what you're set on, but it's really important to think very carefully before you make any decisions about this. in the end, nothing anyone says is going to change anything about what's happening and what has happened with you. when all is said and done this is a choice you need to make for yourself.

 

I'm so sick of feeling like this though. I'm sick of being high strung. I'm sick of being so paranoid. The doctor won't give me anything useful like valium or something due to my addiction. So must I take matters in to my own hands. Many trips i've had have changed my outlook on life. I must do something that will take all this stress away. all this horror I feel. So that I can be normal once again. Not normal normal.. But better than I have been being.

I'm a major asshole to the people I love. I'm an asshole to the people I don't like. And yet I claim to be christian. I don't want Jesus to come back while i'm like this. I don't want to go to hell. Thats the ONLY reason i'm still alive. If hell didn't exist, I would have off'd myself years ago. I'm so tired of being like this. I've got to end it somehow.. I need a drug that will help me with self discovery. And help me with my religion. I don't want to do ayahuasca. I don't want to make my brain worse.