So basically what are everyone's thoughts on DMT consumption? What are the difference, similarities, etc. between pure DMT (smoked or snorted) and drinking ayahuasca? Personal experiences always a plus. I've been planning an ayahuasca session for quite some time but only now feel prepared (and I know I'm wrong to say I am). I was wondering whether anyone thinks it is better to use DMT this way rather than smoking/snorting it, or if they are so different as to be separate realms entirely.
i've never snorted DMT, but a friend who did described it to me as "having a spikey rod jammed up your nose, but worse". said it was the most painful substance he's ever snorted, and that it beat out mdma by a long shot. he definitely tripped but he said he was too distracted by the pain in his nose for it to be worth it. this was DMT crystal, not yopo or anything. smoked DMT was very beautiful, and also surprisingly natural. it came on very smoothly, and the entire vibe was comfortable, warm, and benevolent. i found smoked DMT to be much easier to handle than even LSD or mushrooms. i think this is a good way to go because you don't have to deal with MAOI's, a lot of prep work, and you don't need to set aside very much time. it is also very "to the point". however, in terms of the ritual aspect, i think there's a lot of value in ayahuasca. i haven't done it yet, and i don't think i would feel right in trying to brew my own and chug it down some afternoon in the same way that i'd eat some mushrooms or take acid. i think there's a lot more to ayahuasca and i would want to be sure that i knew what i was doing and knew how to make the most of the experience. although the MAOI apparently does change the trip, because it's psychoactive in itself, i'd imagine it would still be a very smooth experience in terms of feeling natural to the body, as that seems to be the nature of DMT. sorry i can't offer you more about the actual experience, but these are the thoughts i've had around aya and why i'm waiting to use it.
Right, that's the same reason I've been waiting to try aya too. My biggest problem is that it will be easier for me to brew aya than to extract DMT from mimosa, so I'll probably go that route. I'm definitely going to into it with a ritual mindset, but I'd rather take the time to for that than buying and preparing a purer product with dangerous chemicals.
I just ordered everything for my first brew. I have tried 5-meo-dmt, but not pure DMT. I smoked it, not snorted, so I can't really put much perspective on that. I didn't really want to try to extract it, so I am going with a brew.
aya gives a more holistic, full bodied, and most importantly much longer lasting experience. i find the mimosa hostilis/syrian rue brew is excellent because it doesn't produce nausea or induce purging, yet it still very powerful if prepared with care. take the time to let the brew simmer and synergize, all those magic properties will just spring to life....
Ohhh....I wish I wasn't scared of the MOAI.... I really want to try Aya, and even met a guy who goes to group sessions pretty often and said I could go along. (They often have someone from Peru do the sessions....he called him a shaman...who knows.) (I'm also a little scared because I've had a couple negative experiences with smoked and had to kind of wait out the trip...which would be hard if it was longer....but I guess if I had more time I could turn things around anyway....so that's not a big worry.)
the aya ingredients are not true MAOI's anyway. Nothing to be afraid of. i have a Damista friend who drinks aya with the Santo Daime about 190 days out of the year for their observances. He never follows a strict diet beforehand. IMO real aya is best. not pure DMT, not rue/mimosa, but REAL caapi is the best brew. it doesn't matter what else is in there if you got caapi you got yourself some powerful healing.
interesting that your friend never follows the diet. i thought that aya MAOI's were very powerful... maybe syrian rue would be a little more dangerous? hmm, i would still follow the diet personally but it's good to hear that it's not as huge a deal as it seems. i was pretty much deathly afraid of MAOIs. now i'm interested in a caapi/viridis brew... and OP, dmt extractions do use some shady chemicals and that's definitely something to consider. lye... ick. edit: sorry i don't mean to hijack your thread ipsissimus, but i think a combination of mushrooms and caapi might be interesting?
I have heard that caapi is a very strong spirit on its own, and I know that the natives consider it THE ingredient for ayahuasca, everything else is secondary. After all, the brew is named after that vine, not the DMT component. I'll have to try it sometime, but I'd rather start with the slightly gentler form (also the form I currently possess). And yes, the MAOIs in aya are not terribly dangerous even if you don't follow the diet. I've assayed rue on its own and with LSA, both times without much attention and I suffered no ill effects. You still have to be careful with drugs, but tyramine-rich foods really aren't a big concern. As for a shroom/caapi mix, that would be awesome but very very deep. I personally haven't tried it, but from what I've read (and based on the experience with LSA and rue) it will bring an entirely different character out of the shrooms. I'd definitely try it though if I were you.
I have never followed any dietary or drug restrictions while using syrian rue up to 4g, and have never experienced a single bad side effect.
Hahaha, I watched a couple snort 5-meo-dmt last summer. It was crazy. They didn't know that you were supposed to smoke it, they bought 2 hits each. Ate one and snorted one, that's what the dealer said to do. I wasn't around until they did it, and them asked them what it was... Well they snorted it and said it was the worst thing that they have put up their nose. The chick instantly started crying from the intense trip and the guy sat there in his own world for about 10-15 minute until they landed back in this dimension. When I get some I am going to get them to smoke it. I was like "5-meo-dmt isn't orally active until 20+mg doses or an inhibitor.." I am just glad that they didn't take 2 active doses together.
