What do you do, if your trip goes downhill? I think a beer or two helps a bit, but still it's not fully effective. I need lots of tips because last bad trip was quite shitty ( suicide thought, hating friends, hating myself etc you get idea )
Theres nothing to do externally. If youre having a bad trip, youre working out some problem in your subconscious. When I feel like a trips about to get the best of me, I sit down away from friends, I take in a few deep breaths and I remind myself what I did and why. This always works for me, but Im not prone to "bad" trips. If youre having a lot of successive bad trips, theres something wrong, and you need to address that head on, rather than trying to find ways around it.
why did you hate yourself, your friends, etc? it doesn't just magically happen in a vacuum from nothing. thoughts like that are already deep inside you, and you just confront them while high. so why not deal with them while sober and not carry around live landmines in your psychic boots?
what were your doses like? on what drugs? what i did on my most painful trip is i laid down in a private room and just cried. for about an hour, i was sobbing, twisting around on the bed, in hell. until i realized that i had done a lot of crying, that a lot of things needed to be changed, but there's only so much that it can hit me at once, there's only so far all that can possibly go. it's really not as far as you think, and pushing through that is the most positive feeling you're going to get, much better than a few beers or a xanax could do.
You are right, I just wasn't in mood for a trip but did it anyway, looks like that's why. But when 2 happy guys came to me (they were on ecstasy like thing, 4-MMC), nad turned my trip to good one... They were just so fucking funny on that. On other side, people on coke are just shady and shitty... Don't want experience, that two cokeheads brainwash me about research chems and then trying to sell me the coke, I mean fuck that. I came to conclusions that I shouldn't trip when I do not want to... But it just happens lol. Now I see what people want to tell by 2C-E being neutral... It contains bad and good in neutral ratio...
My dose was 15 mg , 2C-E. Strange thing I could handle 20mg previous time just fine... And I really almost cried, was twisting in my bed, thinking about calling emergency for sedatives and all stuff that don't make sense.
it seems like shit can go down hill on 2c-e pretty easily for a lot of people. the last time i dropped acid, i said to my friend "i want to climb a mountian of xanax"...but that's the easy way out. every time i've taken another chemical to abort a trip, i've woken up the next day feeling shitty about the whole experience. but in my experience with mushrooms [something i've pushed to the limits] as soon as i start coming out of a bad experience i start to feel reborn...it's beautiful.
Definitely. I just remember one time when I was candy flipping on two potent tabs and I had gone through a really scary, life and spirituality focused trip. I remember scavenging around for benzo's with no luck. But once the trip started to resolve itself I had a shower and just felt so reborn, and I mean I was a bit scattered and lost but I got through it all ok. I also find if you "trek" through the bad trip and just try and remain calm and think of nothing and just relax, you find that you end up a lot more mentally healthy.
In retrospect, bad trips are usually important. Sometimes a wake-up call (but sometimes just a delusion). In any case, best to ride it out and pay attention to what's happening. Like the early trippers figured out quickly, set and setting are important. Part of the set would be to do or read something high before the trip and have high things available during the trip. Even in the wilderness I carry something by Stephen Gaskin. Be Here Now is good to have around. I like the New Union Prayer Book (the Jewish "Gates of Prayer"). The Bible (mainly the Gospels and certainly not Paul) is helpful. Having these around is part of the setting, and very helpful to mindset when things head south. When everything is patterns and changing and sometimes it's not good and "I" isn't available, it's been helpful to look over and just see that Amazing Dope Tales is on the table. Good to have uplifting music. When Shpongle is just weird and jangly, maybe a little American Beauty will incline things in a better direction. I like to sit in the garden. I've always been a daytime tripper, often outside. People who love you - there's a refuge. My wife isn't a tripper and sometimes she's a little annoying to be around. "How are you doing?" (with that little worried intonation) or "Are you okay?" But, when, you're twitching and trembling, fearful and losing control, it's good to be loved. Quote: "...if you "trek" through the bad trip and just try and remain calm and think of nothing and just relax, you find that you end up a lot more mentally healthy."
They are anti-anxiety drugs in the same way that any good downer or running into a wall is an anti-anxiety treatment. The reasons behind the anxiety need to be looked at, not patched over with more temporary chemical fixes. That's why there's bad trips, because those things are not being fixed, they're still being ignored, even when brought out for you in psychedelia, the best setting for healing.
What if, for example, someone just panics because they've taken too much LSD for the setting they're in? I don't think there's anything to fix or ignore here and that's probably the most common cause of 'bad trips'.
Drinking more beer and sitting apart from my friends did both help to get it even worse. I think it's a good idea to just prepare yourself a bit for it, not focussing on it of course. Just take some precautions. What helped me most with my bad trip was that my friends took me serious because we said before if someone says he's not feeling well to not mess with him in any funny way or something (you might think this is obvious but on the other hand on shrooms you might seem to take it too lightly if a friend tells you weird stuff about his unpleasant experiences). It felt really good someone could get something out of the room just because I couldn't or went with me outside just taking it easy. Sitting apart really made me focus on my thoughts (which I couldn't steer).
i disagree that that is the most common reason for bad trips, unless of course "too much" lsd is taken to also mean "any" lsd. As in, some people take 1 hit of weak shit and freak the hell out because of the encyclopedia of issues they have.
The fewer the unresolved issues, the better - and the less likely a bad trip with psychedelics OR in life itself. But "bad trips" can also just happen, as in a poorly chosen or deteriorating setting or a far more powerful experience than anticipated or the unanticipated arrival of some sort of bummer (my asshole brother shows up, for example) or the sudden and complete awareness of suffering and so on. Another poster put ' ' around the term and that helps in understanding. Because a "bad trip" is definitely not necessarily bad. The person over in the corner, sobbing, appears to be having a bad trip, but sometimes people end up in that place because they've realized, as in R E A L - I Z E D, that we really are all one and the suffering among us is more than the mind can grasp and bummed out is a normal response. That's reality. One person ends every post with "Just say know" and I'm thinking, yeah, know reality. It's a tough environment, but it's what we have.
