Christians, do you feel any responsibility for others rejecting Christ?

Last things first. I wouldn't be talking to you without reservation if I felt you did not care for me, I would not be talking to you if I felt I had some kind of understanding that you did not already poses.

Of christians of vague faith, they are lost in translation. They feel they halve to explain their faith. They have to explain it because it is vague to them.

Their first duty is to remove the log from their own eye. If they feel fear, then they should not yet be tending the flock because they are likely to run away or fight back when the wolf comes, thus scattering the flock.

As to the first. There is a difference between seeing something and doing something. The kingdom of heaven is at hand means it is within our grasp.
I see no reason to gawk.

 

Well this is what you said:

As I've pointed out for you many times before, there is no "painful torment eternal" waiting for you, at least not from what the Bible says.

And second, although I'm not sure what you call "proselytizing" but in the Bible, when all the "proselytizing" was done, nobody was "shouting like lunatics in an attempt to save there fellow brothers", it was all done quietly and calmly and perhaps you haven't noticed but I personally have spent quite a bit of time discussing the Bible with you quietly and calmly.

 

Yes you did.

You probably do it so often you don’t realize when you do it.

This is what you said:

and in it you intimate that I’m uneducated and thus what I say is not worth considering, which in debate is considered name calling.

First of all, your answer was not: I “feel it's a crime and it should be punished” your answer was:

and once again:

What a person THINKS about something is not how they FEEL about something. The discussion is not about what you think of child molestation but about feelings, so once again we know you don’t HATE it, so what are your feelings toward it?

You’re probably right, trying to get you to actually answer some questions is like beating a dead horse.

It seems you’re not reading the posts again. So, for your convenience, here is my explanation once again:

I just mentioned it, because it had already been used in this thread. Perhaps if you would actually answer the questions asked we could move on to your answers but since you keep avoiding answering, this keeps lingering on.

Sorry, it seems you still are not reading other peoples posts. For your convenience, here you go:

And as for being “mad” about previous “debates” with you, how can I be mad at you for some of the funniest things I ever heard? That whole “Amen thing” was just hilarious. :smilielol5:

Just can’t stay from the insults can you? It’s hard to believe that such an “educated” person such as yourself can still think that attacking someone’s education level will some how advance your argument. It seems you may be suffering from the “Wizard of Oz” syndrome, thinking that because you have a fancy piece of paper, that means you have a brain.

 

Yes, Jesus taught in the manner that we experience here. Gatherings of friends, parties and the like, a drunkard and a glutton some called him, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. From tales of these high minded encounters began to emerge curious onlookers, and they intern discuss among themselves and venture their own questions to join in. While this is all going on you will notice that there appear frequently in these crowds, rabble rouse or contentious questioners are met and that has been the experience in my own gatherings. Many of Jesus' sayings involved instructions to his disciples who were a small core with a more intimate understanding than that of the crowd and were designed specifically to deal with encounters that may arise in the process of networking, sending them out. For instance, don't throw your pearls before swine means don't try teach people who are not interested in talking to you, they just curse you as an idiot for bothering them.

 

I don't feel personally responsible, but I do feel that the way Christianity has become very political and dogmatic makes it hard for people to feel truly satisfied with it. I had that issue myself- I nearly left the Church. That's why I've been looking into Christianity's mystic traditions.

 

It is a cardinal and futile mistake to ever argue or espouse about any religion.

Instead, I would suggest you look into yourself and your eternal soul for answers rather than rely on any existing dogmatism.

 

I'm with you, Toby.

 

Ha. Most people who claim to be Christians are hypocrits. Cause they don't repent for their sins. Of course everyone does bad stuff. But I mean really, Nobody is perfect. And nobody can go without sin.

The people that don't believe, I really think they are blind. They have so many problems in their life, And instead of going to Christ for help, they push him away. Because the Devil wants them to. He is winning their souls. And its time we step up and preach the word of the good Lord Almighty. The time is near for the rapture to happen. I can feel it in my heart. We all need to come together as Christians and save as many people as we can before the time is up. I DON'T want ANYONE to suffer for all eternity to the likes of Satan. Most of the time you have to be passive when spreading his word. But every now and then you MIGHT have to be aggressive. We all sin no matter what. But repenting is what makes us saved. All these people who have all these problems most of the time want to Blame God. I used to be the same way. But now, I know that satan is making me say and think these evil things. Honestly. Life is the way you make it. So everyone with all those problems made life that way. Nobody else. Anyone else agree/disagree?

 

He didn't call you a name! Your reaching at the fact that he condemned you with a sentence and wanting to call it that. Ha. So what. He said something about your education level? Who cares. You don't know him personally. Neither does he know you. lol

 

I nearly lost my faith a couple of weeks ago.. But the things that have happened in my life has pulled me closer towards Christ.

 

This is spot on topic for this thread.

It is stuff like this that drives ppl away from Christianity. That arrogant, I am holier than you Hindus or Buddhists, or Zorostrians. I was raised in such a Christian culture that looked down on those other "blind" faiths.

As they say, "Don't hold ur breath." It's been gonna happen for the past 2K years and at various times and places Christians knew it was imminent; they felt it in their hearts. But hey, we're still here.

BTW, gonna go watch 2012 this week. A fiction based on the Mayan calendar (brought here by advanced aliens no doubt - or SATAN!) that endtime comes in 2012.

 

Ohhh yea. I've been really curious about 2012. I think something is going to happen. But I don't believe the world is going to end. I'm a true Christian and I believe that the rapture shall happen.. then the 7 years of trials and tribulations and then you know what comes next.

But its really interesting. A good point though. They have also predicted the end of the world 21 times before.. and nothing ever happened. But I believe that something will happen because the Mayan Calendar was so advanced.. And I do believe that extraterrestrial beings visited the earth and taught the mayans how to use the stars to tell the future. I believe the Mayans knew so much.. I just got done watching something on the History channel called Ancient aliens that talked about all the things that was impossible to build. Stonehenge, Easter Island Statues, The pyramids. Its really fascinating because nobody knows what could have happened. I bet the government does. And they are all about covering it up. Haha.

 

Just to bring you up to speed, I could care less what people call me.

The trouble is when people think that somehow calling into question someone's education level, disproves what that person has said.

What a person says, stands on it's own and should be discussed for it's relative merits.

Thus calling someone uneducated has nothing to do with the idea that is being discussed and in fact there is no reason to believe that an "uneducated" person can not come up with better ideas than a person who is "educated".

The point is that "name calling" is a diversionary tactic, that is old, boring and useless and usually is used when the person can't think of anything intelligent to say.

 

Do I feel any responsibility for others rejecting Christ?

Yes and no.
Yes, because a large reason that people reject Christ and Christianity is because of the so called "Christians" they see/talk to throughout their life. Some people have no interest in being a hypocrite like a lot of today's "Christians." (And before anyone who reads my other posts says it, I am fully aware that I am one of those hypocrites. :\ )

No, because what they decide to believe or reject is fully their choice and there is usually nothing I can do to alter it.

 

The only thing I can be is a mirror of the light. If someone chooses to use my brief moment of reflection as a chance to question whether belief in Christ might yield a tasty fruit then good. If not, that is also good. I am merely a planter of seeds. I do not choose what grows.

I find my place much more comfortable to simply ask people questions and see their beliefs. Often I come out of a conversation learning much more than going in. Sometimes I feel the art of conversation is lost on the church and how important true REASONING is. You cannot tell a man anything, but you can ask him a question and it will give him something to ponder.

The light can be tricky. Sometimes it will sneak into someone's heart and burst into flames weeks after a conversation.