Government sacks drug advisor, do they want to keep us away from mind expansion?

right i knew what you were clear on, the fact that you find it pathetic, i know what you said. and i don't see what gives you any basis whatsoever for making a statement like that.

scratch that, i know there's nothing that gives you a basis for making such a broad and ignorant statement.

it's funniest coming from someone who has only smoked other peoples weed a couple of times. i take that to mean nothing you have to say about psychedelic drugs is of any value at all.

i gotta agree with PB here man- :smilielol5:

 

how do you define weird? how do you define anything? who are you to go judging psychedelic users? the only thing you know about psychedelic drugs is the propaganda that has been built up around them. many of the dangers of these are based on how the user handles them, not on the actual physical effects. there are few health hazards that have effect over a wide group of people that use psychedelics. I guarantee that if the news said methamphetamine and heroin were now being used as medication and were healthy for you you would believe it. don't generalize, and maybe do some research before you try to bring down a group of people who are smarter and more insightful than you will ever be. yes there are many risks in taking psychedelic drugs, but you need to look at the bigger picture. we don't trip or roll for "cheap thrills". we want to expand our minds. when you reach a psychedelic state of mind you can look outside the box. you don't have these boundaries and walls that propaganda has built around people like you who are too caged in by what meets your eye to see the truth. what if up is down? what if left is right? what if we don't even exist? there are so many things on this earth that have never been discovered. who are you to shun those who just want to see the world as it is, and not how it has been built up. there is nothing wrong with a little risk. what if somebody came up to you and offered you a million dollars and said there would be a slight chance of schizophrenia? what if somebody offered you your dream house and your dream car but you would be only a fraction of a second slower than you normally were for 2 weeks? everyone takes risks to get things they want. but our risks are for something less material. have you ever thought that knowledge and insight might be the everything to some people? it might mean more to them than money and fame. you are taking just as much risk as psychedelic users take every day. you have a better chance of getting hit by a car crossing the street than I have of having any permanent health hazards from taking psychedelics. so why don't you just go take your anti-depressants and ritalin and shut your mouth you fucking faggot.

 

I'm sure this will be a waste of time as i know the forum that im on but ill give it try. You sure wrote me a novel so you are indeed passionate about this. Starting with propaganda, nah cant say ever really hear a lot about this. Im sure alot of it is bullshit tho, not unlike steroids but i didnt succumb to it there did i? Nah did my research. Im not disputing effects with you. I just very much doubt this whole mind expansion deal. If the news said that about methamphetamine and heroin, i think that would seem fishy enough that i would do some research. Bringing down a group of ppl that are smarter than i will ever be.....Right well i suppose everyone of you took at the hardest classes your high school had to offer and then went on to study Aerospace Engineering? Do i need to use the other term for Aerospace Engineering? what is up down blah blah, yes you ppl seem to like to talk like this as a fake show of ultimate understanding that only these drugs could have delivered you to. Intelligence might be everything to ppl? No maybe getting fucked up and/or being lazy all the time might be everything to ppl. Yes i know there are risks involved in anything which again is why im all for the legalization. As for you last statement believe me i know the Pharmaceutical companies dont want a drug free world, they want a world free of the drugs that are their competition. The whole fucking faggot thing? Did you get that from the drugs too? cuz that was brilliant for sure.

Anyway i am thinking about doing some research as you suggested, why not? I already sent a message to one of my friends asking what he thinks about this. Hes at least tripped acid before (i dont know what all the fuck you ppl do).

 

this is a pretty casual forum and shouldn't be considered representative of everyones life completely. i come here because it is a good place to get input and see what other people have to say. understand that you're never wasting your time if you come on here and say something that's worth listening to. but you're just making a bunch of statements to get people riled up. you're not saying anything of worth.

congratulations on your achievements in high school. that's wonderful. glad you're so smart. but what does that have to do with how other people experience psychedelics? heroin and meth? are you just considering a "drug blanket" here where it doesn't matter what drug you're talking about? LSD is just like heroin and meth, right?

research? it's a step in the right direction. but i still haven't really seen a detailed explanation of what it is exactly that makes you think that mind expansion has to be bullshit. you keep saying it. why?
and before you ask me anything to prove MY point, let me remind you that you're the one making specific and confining statements. i don't think anyone would make a statement saying that LSD immediately enlightens you. that's not the point. you do understand that we're not claiming to be these enlightened superhumans, right? if we like to think, and LSD makes us think, it is therefore expanding our minds.
you're the one trying to call bullshit, so back yourself up.
all the while keeping in mind that you have hardly even smoked marijuana...

 

school can't teach you what psychedelics can. keep telling yourself that the reason people do them is just to get fucked up. hell, why don't you go tell that to a tribe of indians who do psychedelic drugs as a religious ritual. as for not knowing what the fuck I do in terms of drugs... I like to pour a ton of the worst kinds of chemicals in a cup and then dose them to ensure the most brain damage and physical harm, because I love just getting fucked up.

 

acid is not enlightement man, its just a way to spend a few days high... sorry but none of my friends who done acid, and some of them done a lot, ever thought any diferent including me. what the hell are you guys enlightened about? your brain expresses the same thinking patterns and you are problem solving with the same algorithm, except you are too fucked up to make it coherent imo

 

baloon, what are you talking about? thinking patterns? algorithms? can you clarify?

 

well i was just saying that you dont change the way you produce thought, just produce thought while you are intoxicated, which is not always a good thing

you guys are young kids, you should not be trippin, or snorting or slamming or popping or parachuting or smoking anything, you should be in school changing the world that way, so you can voice your opinions. drugs are not the way to go.

 

Atla23,
Well seeing that you are an intelligent educated man interested in the sciences, were are you studying by the way, this may interest you.
The majority of early, '40's,'50's and early '60's, users of LSD were very intelligent and well respected men and women in the various sciences. They used LSD as an adjunct to thier research because it does facilitate "mind expansion". It does this by literally effecting the areas of the brain that control filtering of sensory input and actually allow more input to reach the frontal cortex.

It also effects how the nervous system routes this information and more areas of the brain are used to process information that they normaly wouldn't.
That is why people report synthesia, the overlapping of sensory modalities; seeing music, hearing color.

It sounds as though it is a psychotic episode except that the user is aware that the changes are drug induced and takes more of an observer role rather than complete participant. It is very hard to describe the mental/emotional state of a user.

These early scientist who used LSD found that it facilitated more creative and abstract problem solving because the input and thought processes were not following the same channels as they normally do.

Research it and you will find everything I said here is true.

You know who Francis Crick was don't you? He discovered the double helix structure of DNA while on a low dose of LSD. He often used it for the reasons I have stated above.
He was one of many examples.

LSD is the most researched psychedelic drug known, so it should not be to hard for you to find solid information. As someone in the sciences I trust that you are familiar with scientific methodology and setting up and carrying out experiments. That is important to understanding the difference between solid research findings and bogus and contrived research.

As far as my personal feelings and use of these type of substances, I think anyone in these forums that is at all familiar with me would attest to the fact that I am very opposed to using psychedelics to "get fucked up" as you put it, and a real hardass for sticking to the facts not opinion.

Please do the same and I will show you the courtesy and respect that you would then deserve. I have no problem with opposing viewpoints as long as they are not based solely on misinformation, or lack of information and opinion.

 

Again you are completely wrong about the action of LSD, research it.

I am very far from being some kid in school, and a lot of the regular posters in this forum are older than you. Your comments are invalid and ludicrous.

 

well what do you mean, how you "produce" thought? because i know for sure that every time i trip, the way i think changes dramatically. i still think in words, but my normal perception is so altered that the world looks different. it's like putting on a whole new pair of glasses for several hours and looking around going, "wow, i didn't know this was here!". i find it to be very thought provoking.

i also find books, teachers, and walking down the street to be pretty thought provoking. i also don't think it's fair to casually throw in "tripping" with "slamming, popping". that sounds pretty catchy and all but i can assure you, i'm not shooting any drugs and i do pills once every couple months. and i think tripping a couple times a year is very different than shooting up heroin every day. and i will admit that opiates are fun every once and a while to just tune out. i don't learn much from them. but tripping isn't a very convenient escape.

tripping doesn't mean you're life is gone. tripping means you set aside a day to take another look, a closer look, and then you go on with your life with everything that you've learned.

 

how can you base the experience of tripping on any factual ground??? how can you prove that LSD expands your mind??? I would love to hear that, because to me, its only mimicking the serotonin neurotransmitter, and not doing anything else. where the hell are your facts to prove LSD will better your life?
youre older as you say, everyone I know, and were not that old, knows its just a recreational drug that you use to have some fun with. what else do you expect from it??? most people who I know, and I respect them because they can handle way more than me, would never get back to it ever. I had a trip, just one, where I was completely out of my mind for two weeks? I dont even know how long. I dont call that mind expansion. I call that being high.
to you cherokke mist, you should go finish college or university and try to get a good job, have a family. its not call conformist, and you wouldnt do it because everyone else does that, but these things have true value and satisfaction within when you can afford to eat without breaking your back, get your qualification so you dont have to keep getting laid off and hurt your family that way because you cant afford a new stroller. the world just is, in a way that you need to earn respect before you can make a difference.

 

and btw I dont know why youre giving credit to watson and crick for discovering the DNA structure because everyone kows that it was done by rosalind franklin. the two men believed until the last minute it was a single stranded molecule.

go ahead and make fun of me for my grammar, but i doubt you speak a second language

 

you speak a second language? why? it's just your mouth moving to form various sounds, i don't consider that any measure of intelligence

yes, LSD acts on seratonin. i don't see where you go from that, to it being only that... when was the last time you said "who cares about any of this, it's all clumps of matter and random energy". the whole (obvious) idea is that we are in fact the chemicals that are in our head, but they mean something. why wouldn't LSD?

and i AM going to college. i am trying to do what i need to do. what makes you think i'm not? it's not like you need to be tripping every other week, or even regularly, to believe you can get something out of psychedelic drugs. i haven't dosed for several months and i would be fine to go several more, a year, maybe more. who knows?

 

Вы мой друг - полный ненормальный.
:smilielol5:

 

Sie mein Freund sind ein ganzer Idiot.
:smilielol5:

 

If you possesed any intelligence at all then you would have noticed that I already addressed that in the post you are referring to.
Go dig up the research on it yourself.
I'm done with you, you're not worth arguing with on this topic because you have already made up your mind and nothing I could say will change that, so research it yourself.

Oh and by the way no I don't speak a second language, but my gardner who has a fifth grade education is bi-lingual.
My niece was fluent in English and Dutch by the time she was four.
Just because you speak more than one language doesn't mean a damn thing.

You tell CherokeeMist to go back to school yet you are the one who can't compose anything in written form.
You do realize that the grammer rules for written English are different then spoken English don't you?

 

Im in second year of university as a mature student. My major is philosophy. I chose it to learn argumentation in written form before I go back to Europe, because argant people like you are mostly gathered in north america

 

start thinking outside the box man. life isn't all about getting a good job and having a family. a lot of people like it.. but don't impose what you picture the perfect person being on other people. if you drop acid for the RIGHT reasons, and not just to get fucked up (which it sounds like is the only reason you did) then you will expand your mind. just like being in a near death experience can give a person insight, the experience of a psychedelic drug can make one's mind expand and give them insight.

 

you can't even bother with people like him.


he is so sure he is right, and that everyone else is wrong.


but for a philosophy major, i'm disappointed... haven't you realized that two different perspectives on a subject can both hold truth?