An opinion about war, logical?

I'll try to speak this as logically as possible.

Anyone who is foolish or stupid enough to let themselves be shipped off to war, isn't it what they deserve? I mean, why even be anti-war? Sure, you can be intelligent yourself to refuse to be used as a pawn, but as for the ignorant, passionate majority, don't they deserve their warring fate?

This opinion must be the total opposite of any humanist point of view, but I believe it is total logic, free from any passion or objectivity. And I may be wrong, but if someone is stupid enough to let themselves be blinded by passion, to let themselves be used for war, then don't they deserve the suffering they'll experience?

 

That's like saying if someone is stupid enough to forget to lock up then they deserve to get burgled.

I don't think that the people of Iraq had much choice in the matter ... but even if they did are you suggesting that it should be a capital crime to be unintelligent?

You're logic makes as much sense as a lead balloon

 

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you, God.

We live in a society whose collective mindset is the product of mainstream media and societal conditioning. Children are taught from a young age that the US only stands for good, and that everything the US engages in abroad is for a worthy and noble cause. Most people are simply not informed and unwilling to question things. It's a common notion that questioning the government is "unpatriotic." And, quite frankly, I don't blame individuals for this, but rather society as a whole, and the systems of control and propaganda responsible for this overtly complacent, inside-the-box way of thinking.

 

These soldiers have been living off tax dollars for god knows how long..it is their DUTY to fight. They signed the contract.

its not a question of being stupid, its a question of doing WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED to do.

 

Unfortunately, on the principles of logic, I have to agree. Logic states that if you join the military, you will at some point have to engage in the acts of warfare. But, there are many in the military who have been blinded to logic, having it supplanted with dreamery and trained idealisms. There is also the growing poverty rate to think about. Our schools do not teach logic, they teach idealism and obedience. Financial/economic hardship combined with a fantastical, even heroic ideal are a convincing tool towards self delusion. No. Not everyone in the military was fully aware of what they were in for. Blame that on the programming they recieved long before they made the decision to join. Now, I'm not speaking for the assholes who like it.

 

Perhaps I made the mistake of judging people for their own ignorance, and since I am not 'enlightened' to the full truth of anything, I am guilty of the same ignorance. I admit my mistake. But like I said, I was just putting forth an idea.

I guess it might have stemmed from a disgust I feel towards the average man, who accepts thing unquestioningly. And perhaps it also stemmed from a belief that if you are not lucky enough to awake from your own ignorance, then that is simply the way things go, and logic doesn't look like it's in your favor.

 

God- I do see where you're coming from and at times I too feel an anger towards the soldiers themselves. They were either brutal enough or stupid enough to join in the first place. However, the four people I know who are in the war are not happy to be there, but they feel it is their duty because they signed up for the reserves. They are not the killing type, but I'm sure with time they will be...

I respect conscientious objectors much more than those who fulfill their duty. I would only find them to be cowards if we were being attacked here, on the defense.

I have no respect whatsoever for solidiers who purposefully kill civilians, abuse prisoners or other brutal acts.

I have to object to your initial point though, that the gullible or naive deserve the barbarity of war. I don't think the foolish are predisposed to join the military as much as simply the poor.

 

Yea, I'm inclined to agree with what you said, green thumb. It just sucks that the poor and stupid were duped into fighting this disgusting and unhonorable war.

 

Unfortunatly my 20 yr old, grew up listening to stories from his dad, uncles, and grandfather about how real men were supposed to serve in the military and protect the USA. My son joined the Army in March and so far has stayed in the USA. I know there will probably come a time that he will be shipped overseas into the middle of a war. There is no draft at the moment so it was his own choice to join and whatever happens to him will be because he made the choice.
Have no idea how a vegetarian kid how cared for all living creatures ( he gave his dad hell for wanting to shoot a rabbit when he was a kid)could volunteer to go kill others in another country.

 

I'm definitely not anti-war because I feel bad for the soldiers - I'm anti-war primarily because I feel sorry for the tens of thousands of innocent civilians - particularly defenseless children - who are slaughtered during war.

Also, while I do feel some sympathy for soldiers who signed up simply because of poverty, I think those people also need to be responsible for their decisions. I've been so poor, I lived on 11 cent Ramen noodles for weeks. But I would personally rather be poor than go murder innocent infants. Once you start killing babies, you're no longer innocent. And if you didn't think you'd have to kill people - or if you really find it morally wrong, opt for jail over killing. ANYTHING to me is better than killing innocent human beings.

In this war, the American killers are not victims - the Iraqi civilians and soldiers are the innocent victims of homocide. And if the US soldiers in Iraq don't have the moral fortitude to refuse to carry out their vicious, illegal, rotten "orders," I can't feel sorry for them at all.

 

Yea, I agree with your viewpoint Willow. Vicious logic. and by the way, Willow is the name of a 42 year old lady who came on to me in a bar. Hah, I'm only 20! I feel like a big man.

 

Yes, and joining the military means that if there is a war, you will fight for this country. They knew what they were going into when they joined. I don't think they "deserve" to die nessacerily, but I guess that's a decision they made. They are just doing their job.

 

Killing is NOT A JOB. Killing is a sin. Killing is a crime against humanity. Killing is the ultimate immorality - the ultimate in unethical behavior. Killing is NOT A JOB. No one should feel they must follow through with MURDER because they "took a job." ESPECIALLY when such murder serves no purpose but the enrichment of the already wealthy. That is insanity.

 

That is a dumb argument because a good majority of people only join the army because they are poor and the only way for them to go out and live is off army benefits.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

willow, murder i do believe is a sin, killing (at least semantically and we would have to socratically break this down to figure what the difference between the two is) would not be.
an we should never invoke ethics in war, many years in history teach me that.
vampires are to garlic as ethics are to war.

 

Not to be an ass, but killing apparently is a job.... It seems to have been a rather popular occupation throughout history...

 

What are you trying to justify here? Killing is OK if you are poor enough? No, you can't justify that. So...members of a mob are justified in killing people? They are just trying to make money.
I agree with Willow, she seems to be the only one here who bases her opinions on basic right and wrong. There really is no excuse for these solidiers.

 

Yes, I have to say that is exactly how I feel. I will be horrified if anyone I know over there is killed, but I really do feel as you do.
The most disturbing part of this is, the civilians are largely overlooked! It's always "Bring our troops home!" "Support our troops!". No one seems to care about the innocent Iraqis that have fallen. That's pretty messed up.

 

This is where it stands at-

If you are someone who has crossed that forbidden line, and committed that final great act of taking another's life, then you have forfeited your humanity. You are no longer a human then, but an animal, a beast, a murderer.

I hope these soldiers and insurgents are proud of themselves, because both are ignorant.

 

Ah, but that is far too great a compliment. I prefer animals to humans.