I happen to LOVE nn-dmt. It is my favorite one, among my many plant sacraments. I have no experience with synths, with the exception of LSD (over 10 yrs ago), and i am about to try some 4-aco-dmt in the very near future. I've been reading a lot about 5-meo-dmt, and for some reason....a lot of the nn-dmt enthusiasts who'm i know, do not like 5-meo-dmt......infact some people are just plain scared of it (any psychedelic experience can be scary). There is a book called tryptamine palace, in which the writer talks about his experience with 5-meo, and i've read, and heard some other reports that say that 5- meo, will bring you to levels of consciousness that you just cant get to with nn-dmt. That thought, in and of itself is mind blowing. It's curious to me, because ayahuasca brew's that contain 5-meo-dmt (chaliponga), are considered to be more intense and more of a teacher, then brew's that contain chachruna (which, is just nn-dmt). I know 5-meo, is not suppose to be very visual, unlike nn-dmt, which is probably the most visual drug , along with bufotenin, that i've ever experienced. I just wanted to hear what some of you guy's had to say about the difference between the two. Any feedback, is much appreciated !
ve tried both and both are real intense, just different. the 5meo is really not that visual, i noticed tracers, some pattering, and everything in my peripherals looked like it was about to explode into psychedelia but stayed still. while my mind was completely blown away. its intense, can be scary when it first hits you just cause of the fast come up, but im sure thats normal.
5-meo-dmt is extremely intense, but i don't feel compelled to do it much ulness on other chemicals.. i've only taken n,n by itself [except with absinthe once]... they are very different, and 5-meo-dmt is naturally occurring.. i find that if i'm REALLY out there, smoking 5-meo-dmt takes it to an unfathomable level...i'd really recommend it...just don't expect it to be "like dmt" because if you look at it like that nothing will be quite the same..
I would highly reccomend taking nn, w/ an maoi. Tetrohydroharmine (THH), is a very mild maoi (it's one of the very calming/peaceful alkaloids, that's found and extracted from the ayahuasca vine). If you were to take 30mg sublingually, about a half hr. before you smoke.....it will extend the journey x3, plus the onset is definately much smoother, and the visuals seem to slow down a bit. It's a great maoi to start with, because it doesn't potentiate the stregnth or intensity of the experience, but just the legnth. The whole trip from blast off to baseline is approximately 45 minutes. As long as you are not on any ssri antidepresents.........it, is totally worth it. I have a very good vendor for THH, if anyone is interested, just pm me. I didn't mean to derail my own thread.......i'd still like to here some more 5-meo, exoeriences.
i would say nndmt is a warm blanket. and 5meo a cold shower in the morning. my vision sometimes gets all underwater-looking and when i stand up and try to walk it feels like im on the moon and that there is no gravity and im like 2 feet taller, i feel like an icon compared to things and people around me. and im just like, "whoooaaa"
All MAOIs do exactly the same thing, it's just their strength that varies. One isn't going to extend your trip while another makes it more intense.
yea, i was pointing out that 5-meo is also naturally ocouring, because it often gets grouped in with the synthetics. i've had access to some syrian rue for a while now, and i've been thinking about trying a dose of it before my next dmt trip....but a diet for me would require SOOO much discipline...i LOVE almost everything you're not supposed to eat.. and i'm not sure i could live without antihistamines, [though i'm not sure there's much of a contradiction with zyrtec] because my allergies are SOOO bad. some day though!
Yeah, be careful with the antihistimines, but as far as diet does.....if you do a simple rue extraction (manske tek), it will remove a lot of the impurities that can create nausea.I have never dieted before combining the two. Generally swim will smoke about 100mg of rue extract (which can also be purchased, if you don't want to extract), and then 5 minutes later vaporize 30-40mg of spice.No diet is required, and no nausea. Each maoi, has a distictly different feel to it, and depending on the method of injestion, and the maoi thats being used.....it can effect both, the intesity, and or the legnth. ime
Ah, okay. Makes sense. If you're gonna go to the effort of using an MAOI then you should take the DMT orally. Pharmahuasca! I know what you mean about the diet, it's a bit of a pain. Worth it though. I'd do a bit of Googling regarding the antihysts, you might be lucky and able to take both. I think he meant MAOI safe diet. There are a lot of foods that you can't eat 24 hours either side of ingesting an MAOI or you risk anything from a severe headache to death.
As i stated before if you freebase the harmala (rue extract) and smoked it, along with vaporizing the spice (fumahuasca), you can eat whatever you like before departure and it will not bother you .
The only known death associated to ayahuasca was due to tobacco poisoning.....too much mapacho, was put into a brew, and an older women could not handle it and died. Vegetelismo is done out of ritual not out of nessesisity.There are lots of people who do not go on an mao diet before aya journey's.The real threat is ssri's and maoi's. If you plan on taking DMT orally then yes i would reccomend taking the maoi orally aswell, but shermin never stated he/she was planning on in taking the dmt orally , so i thought i would give some advice, based on experience. As i stated before if you freebase the harmala (rue extract) and smoked it, along with vaporizing the spice (fumahuasca), you can eat whatever you like before departure and it will not bother you .
