Why do so many str8 folks assume ALL gay men are into anal?

Right on. Vanilla Gorilla gets my vote for the wisest analysis of my probing question about why many people conclude all gays love anal sex. He's the voice of reason, folks. So let's all listen up. Plus he's kinda cute. The dude is a winner. :cheers2:

--QP

 

Im sure that is completely false.

 

As for myself, i'm not into anal either. Being that the reason I never had a relashionship with another dude, though I always fantasized it.

Doing some research, I've found out that neither the ancient greeks were into it. For them, it was something that would mischaracterize masculinity.

I am 30 now and I had just given up having a relashionship with another man, because of what I mentioned in the first lines of this post, but you guys around here have given me back my hope of finding someone suitable for fulfilling that role.

 

I totally agree with you. It does seem a bit high.

--QP

 

Hope is so important. It's what keeps us all going -- may all your fantasies come true.

--QP

 

later

 

Whats that expression "doth the lady protest too much" The protestors are utter hypocrites and in denial about how much they love it. Like hullo , you dont have to look very far to find out that the biggest selling genre in hetero porn is anal!

 

It's completely insane to me that so many people think oral is not sex. I'm of the mind that if someone else doing something to you made you come, that was sex. Further, a lot of straight people seem to think not even anal is sex. A girl can stay a virgin by only taking it up the back door. Or more amazingly, a guy can stay a virgin by only putting it up a girl's back door. What's so magical about dick + pussy? This seems to suggest that a girl can be rammed in the ass by 200 guys, and she's still "pure"? She can in no way be described in the same term as a girl who's never touched a cock. And if a guy's fucked a girl's ass, he's had the experience... doesn't really matter which hole it is, it's a cavity just an inch away. And what about lesbians who were never with a man? Sex is not defined as "something a dick does". I don't think virginity is a technicality, it's a lack of certain experience, and all kinds of sex can result in that change in experience.

 

fudge packers---rule-----hahahhahhhah

 

Different strokes (pun intended) for different folks...

I've skimmed this thread and found one thing that hasn't been brought up.

"Superiority Complex" Living in the south I've seen this over and over. Those who are less educated and not world wise have a base need to feel superior to someone.
It used to be the whites were superior to blacks. Then the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, etc. My former sister-in-law and her family thought they (Vietnamese) were superior to whites.
Since the "Politically Correct" movement came about these prejudices, at the very least, have been silenced. So that leaves few groups left to belittle. Unfortunately, it seems that gays and the obese are the main objects of ridicule now. (Not that gays haven't been the objects of scorn forever)

This, in my mind, ties into the anal sex question. Of all forms of sexual practice anal is considered to be the "dirtiest" so it may well be that is used as a putdown, as usual.

As for me...sure, I like anal sex (I'm the poker) and I am straight. In my youth I did have a male lover who poked me a few times. He was very gentle and though he had a whopper it never hurt. It didn't do a thing for me, however...(((shrug)))

AHH...the bunghole!!! The "universal socket" as a friend once called it.

Zen

 

My question is "How'd I miss this thread for so long?"

Well, I'm here now givin' my observations. Haven't a clue to the OP question as to why ppl think all gay men like being poked in the ass - I sure as hell don't. Tried it once with Raul and couldn't walk right for a couple of days. (Shoulda tried someone with a skinny cock I suppose).

When I was a young man I was quite popular with gay men in New Orleans who loved me fucking them in the ass. And, I enjoyed it, pretty much like fucking a woman but tighter. (We did face-to-face with their legs wrapped around me).

Now my wood don't get up enuf to do it like I used to, so I am content with Oscar Wilde's favorite "intercrural frottage." Someone said BJ was all that was left if you didn't do ass, but rubbing your cock between bellies or between legs is fun and sweaty and slippery and messy.

Oh, and the Greeks had a whole social structure to their gay sex. It was actually the Erastes (older males) who fucked the Eromenos (boys). If an adult male went the other way and let the boy fuck him he was derided for it by the other Erastes. The older was supposed to be the top.

To this day in Mediterranean societies, homosexuality is not as persecuted as in the English world and the top is not considered homosexual, only the bottom. So, it's a negative for getting poked in the ass that doesn't apply to the poker.

I sorta get tired of the cliche that just because you like making it with guys someone has to be fucked in the ass. I have encountered str8 ppl who are always curious as to who is the wife and who is the husband in gay male relations. They never considered that both might just like to suck cock.

I am very oral and know a lot of guys content with being oral or rubbing our parts together or even JO. When making out I can be all over the guy, licking nipples & armpits (if he is natural) sucking cock, sucking balls, sucking toes, licking feet or assholes. Just very oral.

 

LOL Shale. You're OK for an old fucker!!! I like your ideas of oral.

If I still did men, I'd look you up.

Zen

 

A really cool ANALysis, Shale -- and you're spot on about the joys and mysteries of anal and oral sex. I am a big fan of oral. And it puzzles me that anyone would think it is not really sex (as several folks have stated in their comments). I mean, the nasty and delightful phrase: "fucking your face" -- speaks volumes about the various ways one can go about having satisfying sex. It isn't all just vaginal or anal. A little imagination goes a long way. Plus a hot mouth is always a plus.

So I don't agree that anal sex is the only possible way for gay/bi men to have sex. That would mean I am close to being a virgin! And that's something I have not been for close to three decades. Big time. Anyway, this thread is being somewhat taken out of context: I started it almost 2 months ago, and I did so because I returned here after being gone for close to 3 years -- only to discover several posts about all the disgusting things gay men do to their asses.

I won't name anybody. And I still haven't figured out if the dude was totally serious (or totally trying to provoke gay men that have never even considered mindlessly shoving some of the less than attractive mentioned items up their rear ends -- until there was much pain and blood, etc. ). But that's neither here nor there. What interests me is that this thread is still getting so much heated attention?

Firstly, I stated "so many straight folks." I never said: All. And that distinction needs to be clarified.

Also, I was basing it on threads I had read in the gay and straight forums. I mean, to return after 3 years, and to read threads about how gay men are totally into shoving fruit up their asses (and routinely having sex with several partners every blessed night of the year), just did not ring true for me. So I gave my opinion, but in no way said the entire straight world believes what I'd recently discovered on some of the Hipforum threads. That's why I never said: All. So let's be clear on that, and not take what I said out of context.

Nevertheless, this certainly has turned out to be one hell of a lively debate, and the OP (which inspired my thread) has pretty much dropped out of the discussion. Which I think is very wise. And answers my almost 2 month old question: Is this an isolated case? Or are there more folks that believe as he seemed to believe? That's the true question. And I'm grateful for all the varied and enlightening responses. I mean, who woulda thought? It all started with an innocent banana. (Great opening line for a poem or short story.)

--QP

 

Fruit up the ass??? Must be talking about "Poch the Putz" That kid is a special case. (and a bit of a troll)

I too found this thread most interesting.

Shale, hope my statement to you wasn't offensive. My sincere apologies if it was.

Zen

 

Nah, I'm flattered that you would do me if you did guys.

I have actually done other old guys, but my pref is Twinks.

As you can see by my Top Friends on MySpace, where many of the boys call me Sexy Daddy (and I tell them it's more like Sexy Grandaddy)
http://www.myspace.com/shalespace

 

LOL!! Me? OLD???

I most heartily agree about oral. It turns me on more than anything!!!! (giving and receiving) I had an affair with an Episcopal priest years ago. Heavy oral. I remember him with much joy to this day.

Thanx for the compliment, my brother!

Zen

 

Age (old or young) is purely a state of mind. I liked older dudes (while young). Now I am more attracted to younger. But since I'm a total recluse -- who gives a fuck?

--QP

 

oh come on! yes, there is an age quality to a person's character and mentality, but you can't go saying that's all age is. there's also physical age. you grow old, accept it as is. it's stupid to watch old men going "i might be 60, but my mind is 20". it's shows insecurity about oneself, trying to reinforce an image of yourself as still young while obviously you're not that young anymore.

 

I think it's a fair enough presumption, why wouldn't anyone think that?

As long as someone identifies with gay, or strait or whatever, you will get people presuming you have the lot of it, all the bells and whistles.

Would you consider asking a strait man if he did vaginal, or would you assume that 99% of the time they do. It's the same dilemma for us, we just naturally assume that what will happen. You can argue that many gay men don't like it, but as strait man, I can honestly say I no little about what turns on homosexual people!

Any is it even offense for people to think that? I mean, if you find yourself offended people believe this is the case, then what does that say about being gay?

I am going to carry on believing this is what gay men do, if they don't they can just readdress me if the conversation ever comes up. I think it's just that distinction, since many people consider sex in it's quite literal sense of being, that is one thing pops into another.

And age, yeah it is not a state of mind. I am glad many people feel fresh as a daisy at older ages, but I seriously doubt they can truthfully say they have that same zest they had as a 20 year old. You can still shag and feel great at say 60, but I think you would lose the rebellious nature that you had when you were still a learning young adult. This rebellious nature will obviously ensure one acted hugely different, and probably less rationally.

Rationality breeds contempt into my life. Illogical early years, although stupid, create some great memories.

 

Ah, spoken like someone who's only seen his first quarter century of life.

There is some truth in what you say. I find it hard to delude myself about getting old when I have chronic pain in my shoulders, arms and hands from tendinitis. I see the wrinkles in my thinning skin - which is why I don't wear my glasses when looking in a mirror. I can't get wood-hard boners anymore. So far I can get it up enuf to enjoy less pushy forms of sex so I will forego the potentially dangerous drugs and resign myself to no more wild thrusting sex like I had at 20.

However "i might be 60, but my mind is 20" is a truism on certain levels and it does not have anything to do with my insecurity. It has to do with my mind and the fact that I can tap into those feelings that are 4 or 5 decades past.

If you've read any of my movie blurbs you will see that I often allude to not being the 65-year-old man but four 15-year-olds. I can somehow turn off all the cynicism and reality based knowledge that I have accumulated over the years and enjoy a movie made for and only enjoyed by adolescent boys.

Or girls. I enjoy the hell out of the Twilight movies and can see its adolescent appeal. It is all about those teen feelings and I sometimes wonder how I can understand it so viscerally and yet 66% of adult movie critics could not. That is all those movies are about, teen feelings and I tap into it like a teenager.

Perhaps I have the mind of a 15 year old.