Free will does not exist

I believe that such a speculation is useless as it is ultimately unverifiable.

 

In meditation I have felt numerous times that the past, future, and present are all going on at the same time, If this were the case would they still be linear?

Perfect point, its kinda what i am trying to say, it all being one anyway.

 

There is no choice "between". You have only one choice and it is yours.

 

Come on. I've got to intercede. You can choose to be inclined OR not. Or there is the choice for the dimmed out, the choice of the impossible, to Me, being myself.

 

This thread is full of people who think they know something.

 

Welcome.

 

What if you're sick in the Angina? Is that a higher or lower state of Being there in the midst of humanity? Now that the alienated state of ecstatic temporality is generalized per Anxiety.

 

I guess i am not sure what you are trying to say. Angina?

 

Magina

 

Orgasm.

From the famous sociological masterpiece: "My Mother, myself."

 

One will, that to be, free to all.
Our switching mechanism is on-off or yes-no. It is not red-blue or Mary-Jane. Conditions, while appearing varied in form, are all identical in content. When we come to a fork in the road we peer off in either direction while entertaining computational projections. Then we decide, this is the image that I will cultivate. So we go left or right thinking my image lies down this path. In truth, nothing lies to the left or right that does not exist precisely where you are standing at the moment.

 

I agree with the OP, but after thinking about it for a while this was the eventual answer I settled upon.


ultimately though, masturbation is fun so.. carry on :cheers2:


edit: except for the part about not punishing criminals.. that's just silly. its simple cause and effect.. you commit a crime, you get punished for it. The legal system need not delve into philosophical questions about free will..

 

there, I polished my argument that a person has a direct influence on free will, to be more precise, the community does. Not only through physical evolution and the development of reason per se but through social evolution and the development of interpersonal ties one can experience that there is a correlation between the occurence of "willing" and the transformations of the primary causal beginnings, such as nature nurture environment.
how should i call this... Spinoza assumed that we are born into a firm causal network, and the relations of cause and effects will continue to perpetuate wether we will so or not. this I found fascinating, but there is a good counter argument, and that is that we cannot prove wheter A really caused B because most natural relationships are infinitelly complex, and there is no straight link from A to B. I believe that social evolution has a direct impact on the causal network, as I said, by altering the nurture environment incredibly. like, this behaviour that I am at this moment gathering my information on the internet, is a product of socialization (like scientific progress)

my second argument is that the whole frontal lobe has evolved to give us free will, period.

 

I am on a plane of relativity, man. I could of in an absolute vain for what you are explaining (yes/no means absolute consideration of the the led trust into the moral action: hmmmm.) In a relative vain I might say for you: the impossible choice IS to not-be-yourself, right?

 

That which has no being does not exist, correct. Will is the moderator of attention and its' edicts are inviolate. Our questions involving will arise from the cultural lesson of the responsibility to conform. We feel divorced from and are led to doubt the existence of a thing called free will because we have been convinced that we must do certain things or preform certain tasks in order to succeed or be relevant.

 

You feel individualistic this WAY. You are yourself. Therefore, being yourself was only the essence you NOW have created.
Existence precedes essence. Existentially, you have no will to decide YOURSELF, and in fact, you thought you were conforming.

 

Actually I don't think it is possible to change any thing but mastery of what is or the development of dexterity in the application of your own capacities whatever they may be is another matter.
Being tortured has demonstrated to me that although I may imagine that the inability to not be constitutes a violation of free will, if you try to prove the point I will fight you tooth and nail to preserve it.

 

Please explain the science behind this. Is there a physical/spiritual mechanism in existence, some sort of loophole around determinism that allows one to make genuine choices, that the frontal lobe can "tap into"?

Forgive me, I'm not a huge reader, if you could put your explanation in layman's terms I would appreciate it.

Personally, I think that the proof lies in what we understand about physics, the rest is just meaningless, mental masturbation...a justification of what one wants to believe.

 

ok hunny well there is a link that along the way we have dropped instinctive behaviour through evolution, and frontal lobe... let me look it up again
this is what google says:
The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions

I used to remember frontal lobe as a part of your brain that tells you what is an appropriate behaviour and what is not. my buddy, who lost quarter of his brain in a car accident, has a lot of problems controlling his anger due to this injury, and talking to him, as much as I love him and the fact that he is still alive, is interesting because you can see he has no inhibitions.
to the point, the fact that human beings are rational, we can thank our frontal lobe for that, IMO, and most people in this thread argued that your ability to suspend judgement, and to take time to make a choice, etc. is the key to "free will" or freedom per se. as long as we disregard the external constraints you have no power ower.

 

believe me, I dont think our soul resides in the pineal gland