"We made this mess, let's clean it up"...wtf?!

The arguement of "The U.S. started this mess, it needs to stay to clean it up" is aguably the dumbest and most illogical thing I've ever heard or read. Yes, the U.S. made the mess, something that never should have even started because it was based on total lies. Are they doing anything to clean up the mess? It may appear so, with the puppet government, but to the people of Iraq, things are only getting worse, much worse. No running water, no electricity, many of them are homeless, and a great many of the country's hospitals are no longer in working service (from the coalition's bombings). Why should the U.S. be trusted in "fixing" Iraq when thousands of people are dead because of their actions during the war and since "mission accomplished'?

 

There are 4 phases of wars.
The last phase is the recovery phase which takes the longest. In time things will be sorted out one way or another. If we just hauled ass and left, it would do nothing for the iraqi people. Like a slap to the face. The main reason the people other than the marines are there. (Army and airforce) Is for the reconstruction and recovery attempt. The mission wont be accomplished for atleast another 10 years since the initial phase has taken almost 3 years.

Not only is the US over there but coalition forces from many other countries assisting in reconstruction. Contracting companies also. Its going to take a very long time though considering the danger of working in iraq. Buildings fall alot faster than they can be built. Faluja is fubar'd, I hope people can find homes soon.

We can be trusted to clean up the mess because we made it. And also because we have the assistance from other countries. The only thing I can see interfering with the reconstruction of iraq, is more terrorism. Military hospitals are set up every where around places with hospital losses.

In conclusion all I am saying is that if we leave, and don't help clean up the mess we made, its a far worse slap to the face than the invasion we started.

 

Yes, we have to finish what we started. It is like trying to unscramle an egg, so to speak. It will take time, but even if you are against the war, you should agree that we have to help them recover from this.

 

Oh I agree to that.
Im not for the war, but im all about supporting our troops, and making better lives for the iraqi people.

 

Well Soulrebel why don't you tell us what you think would happen if the US packed up and left tomorrow.

 

I'm not saying that no countries should be in the country, but I don't think the U.S. should be left in charge of this shit. Countries around the world should stand up to our atrocities and tell us to leave, that they will have their own troops come in, with no intention of fighting, and they handle the reconstruction from then on.

 

Logically, it was the ignorance of the American people who let this war happen in the first place. Thus, I think a general military draft would be quite a 'just' event, since all of these stupid sheep were the ones who let it happen in the first place. Good! Send their asses off to die in the desert. Purge their ignorance from the human race.

And if anyone says "Well, what about the people who resisted the war?" Well, then this will be your chance to finally elope from this dreary country. Look on the bright side, you'd be living something else, hopefully a more pleasant country with a much more pleasant society? And then, with the majority of the intelligent people having left America, the American society would crumble within moments.

 

I think the American people who really care about this country shouldn't just leave...we should keep fighting the good fight. Besides, not many people have the money to leave the country...my family for example...it would be terribly unjust for them to be left in a crumbling society that I can guarantee you they didn't create. I'd rather stay and fight anyway. I want to travel, but my heart will always be in SC with my family.

 

This has nothing to do with the ignorance of the people. They were ignorant because the voted Bush in for his first term. You expect that the people should have realized the hidden agenda. That Iraq was the target before 9/11. 9/11 just slowed them down. Now if Gore got in would there me much of a difference, honestly i don't think so. But i live in Canada where one party been in power for 13 years. But a least its not the christian right.

 

Yea, I agree with both of those last posts. But let's put it this way, and I'm not proposing any situation in reality. I'm saying hypothetically, if things ever became that bad in America, says as it did under Hitler in Germany, you think those jews would share that logic, 'let's stay here'? Well, the ones who did stay, we all know what came of them. Besides, you think that if it ever became truly heated in this country, that our glorious government would allow an uprising? My god no. Martial law would be declared, and it would be a totalarian state. You speak out, and are shot.

Now, I don't like talking that way, cause nothing good comes from promoting police state paranoia, but it is a possibility that is quite quickly become a very real possibility. Look around you sometime.

 

Chuck, I really don't think you're thinking rationally here.

First of all, we CAN'T leave, because that has happened before, and it has NEVER worked. Look at Africa for god's sake: Britain and France essentially abandoned their colonies and NOW look at the continent!

And, why the hell should Europe (a continent that, for the most part, never supported the war to begin with) continuously be called upon to clean up America's mess? Why is the rest of the world responsible for our actions? Do you really think Europe would appreciate filling the role of America's maid? And even if Europe tried to stop us, who's to say we'd listen?

Chuck, Bush could care less if other countries are against us. If you want to change America, it will be up to the American PEOPLE, not other countries.

-Kate

 

Yes, I agree Strawberry wholeheartedly. And it was the ignorant bastards of the American people who wanted this war, so bring back the draft! Make them go fight the war that they were too apathetic and ignorant to stop. And if you are really serious about your 'anti-war' views, then this will finally be your excuse to depart from this diseased country.

 

I can see that happening after a draft. But as of right now, the military doesn't have the means to create a police state. Were hurting for army troops right now. Security forces in the air force is getting upped 3000 bodies this year.

 

Get out of there now and there will be less mess to clean up.
For God/dess' sake, these people are not infants. Their country has carried on previously without the US, and I'm sure they will get back on their feet faster without interference. The US stays there only because they have sold off Iraq in little bits and pieces to the multi-billion dollar conglomerates who are "rebuilding" what the army so kindly demolished for them first.

 

Nah, I think America deserves to stay there. Look at the chaos we caused. We are the people who are guilty of this. I say institute a draft, and force the people who supported the war to go and die for it.

 

No one is saying they're infants, but you have to remember that before the US invaded, the only reason they had "carried on" for the past 30 years is because they lived under a ruthless dictator. And even before that, they had a monarchy. A country cannot just go from tyranny to democracy in a year--it takes MUCH longer than that.

Also, you're forgetting that as ruthless as hussein was, he was extremely effective at keeping his country united. Now that he's gone, the Sunni and Shi'a muslims are at each others throats and the Kurds in the north are still crying for autonomy (and if they do get it, Turkey will be pretty pissed off, which will create more problems). If you ask me, Bush has gotten us into a catch-22: half the people hate us and half the people are terrified of what would happen if we leave. No matter what we do, we're going to piss off some of them.

And God, I don't agree with having a draft. You say it would make all the supporters send their kids to die, but it would also make the people that never supported the war to begin with (i.e. ME!) go to war as well. You can't send people to die because you don't agree with their stance on an issue. Besides, the military doesn't want a bunch of untrained, unmotivated lazy-asses who would just end up making the entire reconstruction process go even slower. The Iraqi people would suffer for it.

 

I think that no matter what way you look at it, we definitely need to be doing something different than we are now...

 

Yea, of course, Sera. We need a draft, so that all of these apathetic and moronic idiots who let themselves be talked into war can discover what war really is like.

 

i dont believe some of the stuff you say on here is from you.
haha, who said that and why do you think so?


I really have nothing else to say about this, except that the rest of the world shouldn't trust the US to lead the rebuilding of Iraq...how about a true world's coalition. But seeing as how that's never possible, I have to agree with Kate.

 

Well yea, Midnight. The American people wanted this war. NOW GIVE IT TO THEM, AND MAKE THEM FIGHT IT! And all moral questions aside, the American sheep let the war happen, and they are the ones who should be made to fight and pay for it.