RC Use/Abuse negative effects thread

Because of the short history of use and research on RCs I think it would be good to create a thread where one can easily search for the negative effects of particular rcs when used and/or abused.

Please list personal experiences you have had yourself and other typical or rare negative effects that you have read about. I know this info is available on the Internet but it would make it much easier for people of this forum to scan through many of the rcs at a glance and decide rather quickly if a certain rc is of interest for more research or if they should just leave it alone. Just because there are possible bad effects dose not mean the chemical is not useful or that these happen all the time. These are possible effects, please list their how often they occur.

Please list dosages, ROA, time frames, and maybe even your health history if it is important. Try to be brief (no trip reports). Bad drug combos would also be helpful ie: Butylone and tramadol. Also if you are reading this thread please use caution despite others experiences, but we already know that I'll start (use this format if it works for you):

MDPV:

Type of rc: Stimulant


Short term use possible negatives: tachycardia, panic attacks, high blood pressure, dehydration, insomnia, anxiety. These can last last from 5 to 8 hours depending on dose if no benzos or beta blockers are available. All of these can occur at any dose depending on tolerance and genetics but usually only occur with no tolerance when >7mg. Rate of effect occurrence depends on person, tolerance, and what you dose. For some it happens every time, for others not at all. For me it is dependent on dose. Negative will happen much more consistently with large doses.

Short term abuse possible negatives: same as above but much more prevalent if too much is taken. They will also occur with re-dosing. Do not re-dose with this chemical unless you are experience with it.

Long term use possible negatives: Lethargy for a few days after you quit. Addiction occurs very quickly with this chemical if used every day.

Long term abuse possible negatives (large doses everyday): [/B]Renal problems associated with kidneys if you do not hydrate yourself. Heart murmurs if you experience tachycardia every time you use. Psychosis. Depression has been noted with long term abuse even when still using it.

Bad combos: MDPV and weed but only if you are already experience negative effects. The weed will amplify them.

Deaths associated: none reported so far.

Notes: This chemical is very addictive even if you are not the type to become like that. I have experienced more panic attacks with this chemical than any other stimulant be warned that these can be terrifying.

 

4-MMC; Mephedrone:

Type of rc: Empathic/Euphoric Stimulant


Short term use possible negatives: tachycardia, panic attacks, high blood pressure, dehydration, insomnia, anxiety, delusions, Vasoconstriction, and negative after effects. Possible neurotoxcisity.

Long term use possible negatives: No one really knows...I've never seen any long term effects, but it can't be good.

Long term abuse possible negatives (large doses everyday): Renal problems associated with kidneys if you do not hydrate yourself. Heart murmurs if you experience tachycardia every time you use. Psychosis. Depression has been noted with long term abuse even when still using it.

Bad combos: Seems to mix fine with alcohol and marijuana. Wouldn't want to combine this drug with others due to toxic feeling effects.

Deaths associated: a few...google it

Notes: The effects of this compound vary so much from person to person that it's hard to say anything definitive. I've seen people stay up for days on it. It's really euphoric, but in the most hedonistic way imaginable. I've had one "psychedelic" experience on it. The first time i took it, we were snorting bumps of it for a few hours, then took HUGE lines at my friends house. I experienced mild ego loss. the come up reminded me of dmt, because i could barely move due to the overwhelming power of the compound. Powerfully empathogenic. But for some people it's just a stimulant...

I once sat in a bathtub naked with 2 of my friends for like 7 hours and we consumed a collective 5 grams nasally that night. Weird stuff.

 

wut

 

...seriously.

nothing happened sexually [thank god] but it was just a weird night.

speaks to the way that mephedrone effects the behavior of a some people

 

2ce
from 12-20 mg orally - 14 times (and snorted <10 mg, twice)
in the time frame of about one year. sometimes i tripped 4 times a month, sometimes i waited 3 months in between.

Short term possible negatives: nausea/gas/cramps on the comeup. maybe on the comedown too. i vomited once on the comeup. i usually get a headache on the comedown and the next day. not too bad though. it's a dull headache in the back of my head. i also have weird bowel movements in the days following a 2ce trip.

Long term possible negatives: long term stuff seems to be a slight continuation of the above symptoms. a prolonged feeling of a "sense of detachment" from my GI tract. like something might be messed up in my intestines. the headache in the back of my head sometimes showed up when i hadn't taken 2ce for awhile. i get it when i smoke weed sometimes now.
i get muscle spasms pretty frequently, more frequently than i used too. that part is pure speculation though. may be totally unrelated to 2ce. most of what i'm talking about could be unrelated i guess.

Bad combos: only tried it with weed. it greatly intensifies the trip. can be "good" or "bad." once with 20 mg and a lot of weed, i thought i would never be sober again, and i almost lost it

Deaths associated: none reported so far.

Notes: despite all those negatives, i still like 2ce. now i try to keep my use pretty spaced out. like once every 3 months.

i personally would recommend eating and not snorting this compound. it burns like crazy. the trip is better when you eat it (subjective opinion though). and it could be more dangerous when snorted.

 

Wut, you've never done that?? I haven't done it on 4-MMC, but on other substances. LONG time ago, lol. Good memories

 

How did 3 people fit comfortably in bathtub? lol

 

i don't really remember.

 

^ Haha i too have sat in a bathtub naked for a few hours with two friends. We had mushrooms and beer though, they were girls, but nothing happened except we tripped. Don't really remember how we all fit in either. How common is this? lolz

 

one was a girl, the other was a close friend.

it's now something we all laugh about. it's the type of thing that every person should do at least once [but not tooooo often]...shows you're comfortable with yourself

 

one was a girl, the other was a close friend.

it's now something we all laugh about. it's the type of thing that every person should do at least once [but not tooooo often]...shows you're comfortable with yourself

 

7 hrs? and nothin happened? what were you all thinkin about? We rented a whirle pool room thing each room had its own bubblie tub, we had three rooms in a row, and someone put "Mr bubble" in all 3. i don't have to finish do I?