Christianity, really?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Lostthoughts, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm constantly amazed that some people think that if they use profanity, that some how makes what they say more profound but it just makes them sound ignorant. ;)

    As for Hell being in the Bible, no it isn't, the word hell is used by some to translate the words Sheol and Hades both of which carry the sense of being the common grave of mankind. Whereas the Hellfire that some think of when the word hell is used is a pagan doctrine. :D

    Yes, God could have prevented it from happening but then to do so he would have to remove your free will and make you a robot, if that sounds appealing to you I'm sure you could get someone to perform a lobotomy on you. :rolleyes:
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    "Hell" is the common grave of mankind. All who die go to "Hell" whether good or bad, righteous or unrighteous to await the resurrection.
     
  3. thedope

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    Simpletons.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    The word sin is used over 300 times in the Hebrew Scriptures.

    This is what David had to say in the Hebrew Scriptures:
    (2 Samuel 12:13) David now said to Nathan: “I have sinned against Jehovah.” . . .
    (Psalm 51:5) Look! With error I was brought forth with birth pains, And in sin my mother conceived me.
     
  5. Skizm

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    Thinking fiction = truth qualifies someone as a simpleton to me. I believe that belief in a higher power is normal. However, thinking that somehow a belief in God is more rational than a belief in the Santa Claus is what qualifies some people as simpletons. If you understand that your belief is science fiction then you're good. Just do not take it as truth.
     
  6. thedope

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    I see these minds as victims of the sincerity of childhood and cultural indoctrination. We are taught to believe at every level which requires us in life to seek conformity rather than comprehension, which in turn seriously compromises our situational awareness.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    I know that the Trinity is of pagan origin, that is one reason I do not believe in the Trinity nor do I believe it is a Bible teaching.
     
  8. def zeppelin

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    You're comparing Jesus to Santa Clause? Give me a break. People don't give up their lives to Santa Clause, start up a revolution that ends up bringing about 2 billion followers, with historical accounts pointing to an actual man. The Bible talked about Pontius Pilate's existence before it was confirmed centuries later and various other predictions that came true and remain to come true.

    If you can really compare the principals that Jesus taught to Santa Clause principals then I am at a loss of words. Jesus' principals, if applied, makes the government obsolete which is why the Romans were so threatened by them because they were doing a better job supporting the people than their government.

    If you want to believe that Jesus wasn't real and that what he spoke was not the truth, that's ok. Just understand that your belief is science fiction :p

    P.S. Happy Holidays Skism :p
     
  9. Skizm

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    Schism ;) I do not compare Santa Claus with Jesus Christ. JC might have been an actual person, I will admit I have not done my research on that. However, when it comes to believing in God, you might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy or purple elephants. Same concept really. Also, I'm totally drunk so do not take what I say seriously.
     
  10. def zeppelin

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    Oops, meant Skizm, mb.

    But I like purple elephants... and the tooth fairy always gave me good loot for my teeth :D
    :eggnog: :D
     
  11. Indy Hippy

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    I understand that according to your scriptures the word sin is used but the actual word "sin" doesn't even exist in ancient hebrew. I have read the actual Torah and Tanakh and neither of them uses the term sin in the aspect that Christianity does. It is also interesting to note that "sin" in any form is not mentioned untill Cain kills Abel. According to traditional jewish teaching that was the first true wrong doing by man.
     
  12. AvatarMN

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    You suffer from a strange lack of imagination for someone with a name from a sci fi novel. God doesn't have to stop car accidents by using mind control on the driver. He could do it by enveloping the car in a fluffy bubble when he sees the impact coming. If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and loves his creations... he would. He doesn't. So he's either not there or not good.

    However, as someone said early in the thread, debating you about Christianity specifically is pretty damned useless. With all this "pagan doctrine" and other obscure stuff you come up with, you have little relationship to a mainstream Christian. You kind of have your own religion that you've made up, like Joseph Smith or L. Ron Hubbard. Only no one's signed on with you.
     
  13. def zeppelin

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    Was Satan telling the truth when he said to Eve 'Surely you will not die'? If sin wasn't brought into the world by Adam, then that is to suggest that Satan was telling the truth and that God was lying.

    So while traditional Jews did not believe in the concept of original sin, it is my opinion that the Bible is describing one.
     
  14. def zeppelin

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    There are millions of people with the same viewpoint.
     
  15. thedope

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    I see it not as an original sin as in number one of a multitude of sins, but rather a description of the entire nature and dynamic emergence of all sin.
     
  16. def zeppelin

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    What do you mean? If I understood you correctly, you mean that one sin brought about varying forms of sin? Kinda like Brahmans egg bringing about all life on earth in all its variations?
     
  17. thedope

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    Exactly. Sin, missing the mark of God. God pronounced his creation good, very good. Yet being deceived in sin, we find all sorts of evil and offense in life, in this world. As a result of this 'error in perception' we behave even in our most well informed "conscience" in a hostile manner toward Gods creation and toward our brother.
     
  18. Austin_Man

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    Great words here ^
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    Try thinking it through, you want God to change how the universe works because you made a mistake? If you use your free will to become a drug addict or to drink yourself to death, is that's God's fault? Hey, he didn't stop me. He should wrapped me in bubble wrap. No, you have free will and all choices have consequences, if you make good choices you get good consequences and bad choices come with bad consequences, that's how the universe works. But you think God should run around after you fixing all the bad choices you make. Honestly, if you would just use you free will in ways that are not harmful to yourself or others, there would be no need for God to change all the laws in the universe every time you make a bad decision.

    I have made up nothing, I just try to worship God the way that is laid out in the Bible. I can not help it if Mainstream Christianity has turned aside from what the Bible says. If mainstream Christianity has turned to accepting pagan concepts and calling them Christian, that doesn't mean I have to follow their bad example.

    As for no one signing on with me, check my posts I don't believe that I've asked anyone to "sign on with me" but as def zeppelin said there are millions that already have a similar viewpoint. :D
     
  20. Rudenoodle

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    I heard he's been stocking up on kool-aid and semi automatic rifles :D

    More of a David Koresh minus the following!
     

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