A muslim who want to know

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by sanfour, Nov 19, 2004.

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  1. sanfour

    sanfour Member

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    Salam(peace) to every body
    Hello it is my first message here.
    I am a muslim who is asking "who is Jesus for u Christiants?"
     
  2. BlackBillBlake

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    Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Saviour.


    Islam says He is a prophet, is that not so?

    Love & Peace.
     
  3. Spacer

    Spacer 'Enlighten yourself'

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    Yes it is so.
     
  4. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    The word islam means peace, and the vast majority of the 6 million plus Muslims in the USA are good, peaceful folks. They do not make good news copy though, whereas the fanatics sell papers and raise news programs ratings. As the saying goes, not doing something isn't news.

    A salaam alaikum. (apologies is misspelled)
     
  5. BlackGuardXIII

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    Sorry, I was wrong. I do recall that it means submission. I have read that it means peace, and forgot the submission definition.
    As for my credibility, I could tell you much that I believe that would likely totally destroy any that I have left. It matters not to me in the least. I do not expect or need the reassurance of others opinions of my credibility, since I do not have any desire to convert others to my beliefs.
     
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    Other than apologize to you, I am not sure what else to say. I always seek to learn, and am a little puzzled by this post. For instance, how does one convert oneself?
     
  7. BlackGuardXIII

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    ok, tyvm
     
  8. BlackGuardXIII

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    thanks, and remember, an insult from an idiot is a complement.
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

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    Do you enjoy this? I don't. It is infantile, and just contradiction. I used that phrase becuz you have twice called another member an idiot, which is, in my view, a very useless and childish thing to do.
    I dislike arguments, and you appear to revel in them.
     
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    Good to hear. I am so glad. I did not like your intense desire to argue in the first place. I never was arguing with you, so feel free to ask me what you like any time, I will try to explain my perspective.
    Peace to you, Stan.
     
  11. BlackGuardXIII

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    I did not say culture, nor feelings. I said I based my beliefs, (which are by no means unchangeable), on whether the act, words, etc. were harmful to others. You asked to define harmful, but that seems to me to be futile. We both know what is harmful. An insult is harmful, it may not be extremely evil, but it is clearly on the evil side of the line, in my view. I am always willing to learn, and hope to learn why you assume I am saying things I am not. If you steal something from someone, even a penny candy, that is wrong, anywhere, yes?
    If you hold a door for someone, that is good, anywhere, yes?
    That is what I base my views on, the practical application of the concepts, not the theoretical, semantic philosophising that so often happens regarding these opposites.
     
  12. cabdirazzaq

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    What is this which you are discussing, really? The swedish people say to talk is silver while keeping silent is worth gold, sometimes this is correct.

    The Messenger of Allah, Muhammed - SallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam - said, “Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should speak good or keep silent.”
     
  13. BlackGuardXIII

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    I agree with those 'primitive' cultures. Ownership of food is outweighed, in my view, by the positive result of saving lives. 28 000 kids a day starve to death, and I would have no qualms about food being stolen from the affluent to feed them.
    I understand your point about the door, and it was a poor example, but I am sure that you and I could find some virtually universally agreed to bad acts. Like torturing an innocent stranger? Who would be able to defend that as not being evil?
    I do not think that there are many who feel abortion is not harmful. I think most who support a person's choice to undergo one, do so for reasons such as to prevent back alley procedures, and realize it is a very traumatic, and harmful thing. I know that any women that I have met who discussed having had one told me that they knew it was wrong, but felt they had to. It was not a pleasant experience for any of them, but more considered to be a necessary evil.
     
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    I agree, that me, as a man, who will never have to face the choice of whether or not to have an abortion, has no say in the matter. My opinion is irrelevent at best, and also inappropriately judgemental, considering I can say whatever I want, with the full knowledge of my never having to face the choice myself to prove it.

    I also feel that other women's disapproval is not likely to be appropriate, as they may not have ever been in the same situation,( ie. that of a homeless, gangraped 14 year old, etc.), and therefore do not know what it is like.
     
  15. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    i think you mean pro-choiciers at the end f your rant here......and by the way...so do you think a woman is a brainless, emotionless incubation box as soon as conception occurs? Or does the mother have rights as well? Also, how is a bundle of cells a human? What makes us human? and waht makes us alive? can a 3 month old fetus survive outside anyways....probobly not, there fore was it ever alive...? What about if it has no heart? is it alive then too? I'm not pro-abortion, im pro-choice, and if i come off sounding mean and attackful, im not tryig to...


    how did this thread get so of topic...
     
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    When the sperm and egg join, there is a unique individual created. Maybe another Buddha, maybe another Dahmer, and undergoing an abortion is a terrible tragedy that ensures we never get to find out.

    I have said what I feel, and I did mean it. If you feel comfortable judging and condemning the person I gave as an example, then we are of different views. I would spend my time with her comforting and supporting her so that she can get through the double tragedy of the initial violation, and then the heartrending choice to abort.
    In a perfect world, sure, carry the baby to term, and give it up for adoption. But I am not prepared to ask another to do that, nor condemn them for not doing it.
    You will never get to find out what you would have done, and no matter what you now claim, I believe that.
    I have seen too many 'heroes', become snivelling cowards when the crisis came. Words are cheap.
     
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    You have to admit that his academic claims are pretty impressive though, MM.
    I would not doubt that when he reaches 31, or 40 like me, the world will see a very different Stan. I was a cocky, very self righteous know it all at 14, and loved debating. No more. I am now pretty much the opposite.
     
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    A friend of mine and I made a pact on the walk to school the first day of grade eleven to get high every day.... and we did. Morning, and at lunch too.
    I almost didn't get a B average cuz of it.
     
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    The one time I dropped acid at school, I decided to get the hell out of there as soon as I started to feel it.
    I did miss 31.5 days in senior high, but they were all worth it.
     
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    In gr. 11 I was in a non credit class for 'gifted' kids, and I would go outside during class, smoke up and write poetry. It was great, but I didn't relate well to my classmates, I was the only one with a jean jacket that had ACDC, VH, and Rush patches on it, and long hair. The rest pretty much were pocket protector types.

    In grade six I used to go home for lunch and sneak my mom's rye, since I was always done my days work by then. I would go back and do bonus projects half cut, and no one ever suspected......
     
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