Should I quit my job/Is it possible to be a non-hypocrital libertarian?

Discussion in 'Libertarian' started by Theophilus, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. Theophilus

    Theophilus Guest

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    I'm sure this is a common issue for libertarians, and I signed up for the board just to hear everyone else's opinions.

    Libertarian philosophy argues that the state should Only protect "negative rights" as far as they're understood (the right to life, property, to not be forced to do anything, etc.). As such, it doesn't seem immoral, to me, for a libertarian to work for the state If the state position is protecting negative rights. The court system and some "police" services come to mind.

    As for me, I work as a tutor for a community college, saving money to go to law school this upcoming Fall. Community colleges clearly do Not protect anyone's negative rights. No one has a Right to be educated---especially with someone else's money. As such, if I want to be moral, should I quit my job? As far as it goes, the state is "stealing" citizens' money through taxes to fund the community college, and I am working for that community college. I am, logically, using stolen money to buy my food, my entertainment, and my future.

    Now, this is certainly "better" than something like welfare, since I work very hard for my money (and I do), but is there really a difference? I never got consent from ALL my fellow citizens to use their money. (I know a lot of people who hate public schools; I'm not a huge fan of them myself.) And in a lot of ways, the person on welfare (assuming he's a decent person) "has" to take that welfare to stay alive. His use of state money, in some ways, seems more justified than mine. I could easily get another job. And even if I didn't, I have plenty of money and food to survive. He can't necessarily get food for tonight. And it might not be his "fault," hypothetically-speaking.

    This brings up a lot of issues, though. I, and every libertarian (and anarchist) I know uses state facilities and publicly funded areas all the time. I even went to a public university. Hell, I went to public schools my whole life. You could say, "Well, you didn't have a choice about where you went to public school as a child," but I did have a choice where I went to college, and I Do have a choice to write those schools on applications for employment. (And even if I don't put my elementary school on an application, I put my college on there, which, even if it wasn't state funded, I Used my public education to Get me there.) I mean, really, many private universities use money from the state in one way or another, whether through financial aid from the students or through some more direct funding. Can a libertarian with a private college degree morally use his degree to get work, then? Where does the line of guilt end?

    Even more extreme, I have to drive in a car that was made by some car company that was funded by some government program on some road that was funded by some other immoral system to job interviews. I have a Choice, even if it results in poverty, to Not use any of these things. To another end, should a private company Take state funding for work? If you are a contractor, for example, should you take a bid to build a new public school, monument, etc. I personally don't want any more public facilities or parks that don't protect negative rights. Why should my money be going to pay for them? Why should Your money be going to pay Me, even if I do happen to be a great tutor?

    Are hermits the only people who can truly be libertarians? Should we just lament that we're living in a state-funded world and keep Using that funding, or should we do something about it? If so, what? Most importantly, should I quit my job? Am I a hypocrite if I don't? More directly, am I any More of a hypocrite than if I got some other job but continue to use roads and other services? Can I honestly buy food that comes from farms that are so highly subsidized, even if it's with hypothetically "private" earnings? Further, couldn't this hypothetical private company that I'm working for be acquiring stolen (taxed) money from some citizen who is paid or dependent on the state? Wouldn't I still be using stolen money for my food, fun, and future?

    Thoughts? Hatred? Lamentations?
     
  2. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    You have to compromise your principles to live in society -- sad but true. Keep your job.
     
  3. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Keep your damn job, there's a difference between asinine idealism libertarianism and pragmatic libertarianism. Everyone has a right to be educated.

    Also you can't be a libertarian and an anarchist.
     
  4. El Fuego

    El Fuego Member

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    That's debatable
     
  5. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Actually no it's not by definition.
     
  6. El Fuego

    El Fuego Member

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    anarchy: absence of government

    capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

    so anarcho-capitalism is an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market ran with an absence of government
     
  7. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Yes but what does anarcho capitalism have to do with libertarianism
     
  8. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Libertarianism is limited government, anarchism is no government. So they kind of rule each other out.
     
  9. El Fuego

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    Anarcho capitalists are pretty much austro-libertarians with the exception that they don't believe in govn't.
     
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