I've haunted this forum for a long time, sometimes posting a little here and there and have noticed that many posters would claim that a psych trip has completely changed their understanding of what it means to live, to be alive. My question is first what did you learn? and second do you still feel that this experience continues to impact your perspective? I've tripped many, many times in my life, had many "revelation" experiences... The sad truth is they never stick for very long - I have what would considered the antithesis of what these drugs teach, a mind that never slows down, that continues to over-analyze, to over-think, to fear what I can't control. My dad has severe compulsion, anxiety problems and I fear my brain chemistry is the same. Every deep trip I have had has taught me one thing - to let go, to let that which truly does not matter slide. But despite this knowledge, I still stumble, my over-analytical thinking continues to destroy me. I can't even trip at this point because it just leads to obsessive thought loops. I guess in the end I know that life is an always changing stream, control is more an illusion than we know, but I want to know it, you know what I mean? I can never integrate that which is so clear to many of you. What was it about these trips that changed you? I'm so tired of being scared Thanks for your comments...
it taught me to learn to get there without drugs. i fully realized the one-ness of all things, how the duality of good/evil, positive/negative is all just one thing, what is sometimes called chi or god, or by some "energy", that which flows through all of creation... that was wayy too cliche it taught me some things about geometry. and aesthetic; visual and otherwise. to let go, all you need to do is just let go.
heh been there - perhaps the problem is that I expect to much from tripping and that any type life changing enlightenment to quote fight club "is not a weekend retreat." or a quick fix Vapor you are exactly right any type of change I want to bring about in myself is going to come from my hard work, tripping means nothing if I don't integrate it
This. This is the ultimate answer to anyones questions or thoughts about tripping. We only have an idea of what goes on in your head. Find the answer yourself, INCREASE DOSE. OOOOOOOHHHHH YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!! The machine is distracting. FOCUS. You see apples all day everyday. One day you see oranges, but then go back to seeing apples the next day. You decide you like oranges right? Focus on the orange man, you can see anything you want. I promise.
I agree about increasing dosage. The first time I actually opened my mind far enough to permanently learn was the first time I did DPT- the experience was so intense that when I came out of it, I was happy to simply be alive. Nearly a year later, I still don't have the trip 100% figured out, but the fact that I went as far as I did just changed something. From then the change has simply flowed. Take a high enough dose that the distracting mental thought loops break, and all that's left is something which exists. I think once you break those thought loops once/the things holding you back, it'll be much easier to let go every time after that
some things can be understood, but not by any means explained. psychedelics commonly change the way i look at things, which ends up effecting choices i make...domino effect.
as crazy as these people sound i think they (and we) are all exactly right. increase dosage..of course i don't what or how much you are taking. i agree with them because after my last acid trip, if you could even call it that, i have felt the "over-analytical thinking" disrupting my daily life. it was a weak hit and it just left me hanging. and after all other good trips i've had, mostly on mushrooms, i feel refreshed and so forth...
ditto on increasing dosage. kinda like some advice i got from a fortune cookie a long time ago: Bite off more than you can chew...THEN CHEW IT. it was a joke fortune cookie but w/e its much easier to deal with something when its in front of you. when you feel like all your organs aren't you, and your thoughts are furniture, point at that sofa that you dont like, AND STAB IT TO DEATH!!! but be happy before during and after.
My first real psychedelic experience I didnt necessarily "learn" anything. I just experienced a series of totally "new" "things" that I could in no way shape or form put into words. And this made me want to do more because it felt like I was onto something really important.
to answer the question, you learn from the experience being so abnormal. when you feel ego-loss you realize what it is to be happy, sad, etc., you can see your habits, see yourself from a different light. in simple terms it grows your consciousness, even if it is for that 8 or so hours, it makes note of what is normal. and that makes you feel more grateful of normal, or of just anything. teaches you gratitude basically.
No dude, this is not ego-loss. Ego loss is when you lose your ego... duh, ie; sense of self. How can you see your habits when you dont exist? Increase dose big time man.
yah you're right nvm about the ego-loss. it shakes ya up for sure and thats what most people need! dose it up dude!
It's incredibly hard to put into words the complexity of everything that exists getting intertwined with you, and that consciousness simply existing.
One shroom trip totally changed my outlook on life when i was 15. i used to be controlled, and care about morals and society and other people and all that bullshit. I realized while peaking on shrooms that my desires were the only thing that mattered. that everything is and always will be about me, its kinda like extreme selfishness. though it really helped me do things i had only dreamed possible. My ego got so big it exploded, but having no ego is like having the biggest ego of all.
Yeah but what does it mean to live? Besides breathe and function and eventually pass on? Nobody's born with a manual, lol. It DOES gives you strong feelings of connectedness that you would love to validate verbally and through some fact or comparison, but there's no way to really express it. I think where the benefits happen is when people can put aside their personal baggage of issues and insecurities and just let the harmony and fun flow in for once. And these people are recommended increasing your dose because apparently since you lack the ability to drop your ego (a lot of us have that problem don't worry), you'll just need to take so much acid that it subdues it by itself lol. You think it sounds scary/nonsensical hearing from this side, but it really is true. The thought loops will just collapse and you'll be left with feeling-experience, not thinking-experience. Not much, it just opened me up to a new set of feelings. Feelings that just give me a deeper fondness for the world, even though they aren't "always" there. Yeah. That's why it's good to counter balance this shit with something like meditation. Meditation is for slowing down the mind and finding the inner relaxation. Even better is meditating on LSD. Meditation, breathing, focusing on the breath to the extent of letting the rest of the world and everything else in it fade to the point of insignificance, kind of like when you're with a lover or in love, I guess you could say. A funny paradox in life is all these things people strive for come naturally to you when you no longer seek for them. If I were you, I would try tripping without any expectations whatsoever. Erase everything you think you know that this drug is supposed to do for you. Drop it. Start over. You obviously know now that the way you are going into yields no results, so stop thinking of it in that manner. Start fresh and let it happen on it's own and then see what arises.
When I started taking psychedelics I was too young and immature... It wasn't a few years after having experiences that I started having any kind of spiritual awakenings. I think that mushrooms were the first to give me any kind of deep trip, and my first 5-meo-dmt trip was where I wanted to start looking deeper into my mind and spirit. I do think that psychedelic use at my young age made me more mature and made me understand my body and mind. I learn something new every time I trip, and I bond closer with myself. A little later in life I really started experimenting with different kinds of psychs, thier effects drug wise and spiritually. I have tried many compounds, and plan to try many more. Now where's my penny...
Thank you for the replies and I agree that tripping thought loops are often the result of not enough. Sadly acid is the only thing that I trust in heroic dosages to not cause a panic and its not available right now. Heroic doses of shrooms always end very badly for me but I am curious to try dpt really the only psych rc I haven't looked at because I heard about the god awful come up anxiety. Rc psychs always feel so cold to me, more flash than soul, and body load just gets nuts with high doses. I think I'm gonna return to the start and begin meditating more and once I can get a control on some of these thoughts return to my favorite weekend night activities and like swoosh said maybe just trip for the fun of it, no expectations. I mean thats the secret to life right? no expectations for what may be just what is, open arms and a open heart...
