War Is Over If You Want It

How long will it be till our race realizes what some of us already know? That war is what slowly destroys our world and our people? Can we ever stop war completly world wide or will our fate always be cosigned to this?

 

What can be done about fundamentalist Islam? It teaches people to kill anyone with different beliefs or values. And it is growing fast.

 

Lol it's not about just about fundamentalist Islam, you sound like an ignorant American who has had little contact with actual fundamentalists. What are terrorists without big world Superpowers suddenly taking away their home and giving it to another group. How did they get all that money without heroin addicts to buy their product.

I think war will always exist, we must have war to have peace. We must have ignorance to have truth. But I do think that it is possible to not see war for a very long time.

 

There has been war ever since hunter gatherers started farming, there has been war since bedouins settled, there has been war since man started to claim that he owned the land he lived on. Since he owned things, and owned land, so that is not going to change, humans are greedy and will always want more, no matter how many men woman and children are killed, they will always want what others have, and will always want to keep what they have.

 

it comes from ignorance, and a lack consciousness. both fundamental islam and america don't truly think outside the box, or about their own actions.
That's the (or at least one) beauty of hippies.
There's two things i'd like to say:
The concept of ego is to build up upon your being. Without ego, you'd be a nobody in which you can't base things off as good as if you had an ego. Ego with time is just a learning process to prepare you for the world. Once you age, grow concsciousness, and adapt to your world, ego diminishes.
If Ego is stage 1 and consciousness is stage 2, what is stage 3? I'd say cooperation. The hippies got the right idea of peace and love.

War will always happen as long as we have the monetary system. What is the reason why we have separated countries? It's for money reasons. Humans adapt to the nature money has of greed and separation/property. And when you separate, you alienate. As long as we have countries that live in competition constantly and perpetually, there will always be America (the bully) and Iran and such (the victim). It's exactly parallel with your everyday life. You have to work or else you won't get things you need to survive, and the constant stress of it deteriorates you. Countries are like people, and America is the ignorant boss at work, offering no promotions. War, depending on the situation, is like going for the employee of the month and ruining other employee's chance.
It's part of the system in which we are grown in. Can't take the kid from the fight, take the fight from the kid. Get rid of the problem at it's core

All of it can and must be solved by everyone having a broader consciousness, awareness, and innovation. Intelligence i guess

 

Kind of a wacked out theory about consciousness and war... but ok.... =]

 

wtf.. I guess youre a christian.. download any kiddie porn lately, its all about the love..

 

I didn't say that it was. That is only one example.

Why would I want to have contact with fundamentalists? How would that be helpful?

No.

 

Well the thread was about getting rid of war, and ur only words were basically "Fundamentalist Islam!! Let's get rid of it." I know tons of practicing fundamentalist muslims and none of em are terrorists.

Fundamentalist Christians (Crusades), extreme animal rights activists, darwinists, and environmentalists all can go to the same great lengths. Sooo it's a little more complicated...

 

That's not what I said, and a three sentence post does not need to be paraprased by anyone. I only pointed out a problem that I thought was obvious. I have no idea how you could think that I approve of every group that I did not name.

Do you deny the existance of training camps where young Muslim men are taught to hate and kill? The training methods and the underlying theological teachings (the reward of the 72 virgins, etc.) are well known to the outside world. Most mainstream Muslims denounce these camps and the fanatics who run them.

The OP did not say that this thread is limited to vague, positive, idealistic statements. Merely wanting peace is useless without action. We will not teach these young men to love peace by making clever, profound posts here. They will not be reading anything that we write. How is anyone going to reach them and change their hearts? That is a question that must be answered before we can move closer to lasting peace on earth.

If there is another specific threat to world peace that you find worthy of mention here, make a post about it yourself instead of criticising me for failing to express your views.

 

I think this thread is gettin' a bit out of hand. My original post was about the simple question of wether or not there will always be war. While I do believe that just gettin' rid of fundementalists will not get us to where we need to be I do see zero's point that it is a starting place. In all honesty tho I agree more with the idea that we won't be able to stop war untill mankind stops being so greedy and egocentric man. I personally agree with Lao Tzu's belief that in the beginning stages of society man was not like it has been for for the last 6-7000 years. At one point I do believe we all lived in peace and harmony with ourselves and nature. But in order to become that way again we would need to see radical changes in society such as but not limited to, the disolving of religion, the disbanding of governmental bodies, the melding of the arts with science and religion, and the beginning of a global communal nature. Lennon was right in saying "War is over if you want it." because in order for war to end enough people around the world have to want it to end

 

I agree. But the real question is "how", especially since we've already gone down the wrong road for so long. And the issue is even more complicated. Some might believe being free from the chains of big oil would be ideal, yet that would destroy our way of life. Some believe science will provide a new niche for energy, while others think primitive living is the way to go. Many are unsure or in-between. We may have a corrupt system, but are we willing to disrupt the system to the point of destruction? Where food supplies are cut off, people starve, mass killings / rapings / whatever???? IMO "War is over if You Want it" is a naive statement unless you give a really good plan of action.

I think the first step in in peace is unification, attaining a common identity. We need people to work towards the same goal, and the goal should always be what's proven to work effectively (even this can be disputed tho......). Maybe we should first find out what DOESN'T work.

I don't think that humans always lived peacefully. Like cooperation, violence is an effective survival strategy.

 

unification has been the goal of empires - invade , defeat the resistance then culturally absorb the conquered . this describes the current mid-east wars . the cell-phone shall be the new god . all citizens will devotedly feel socially connected and content . this will happen to all the world - well - not to me though - i am a warrior against it , a quiet man , too quiet for talking on phones . shh . peace is made with careful words that must ring as pure music .

shh . existence .

i confront my enemies only just enough to let them know i do resist , i exist . i exist like a magical unicorn . this existence brings the authoritarian enemy warrior to humble tears again and again .

 

Can war end? Yes, if we can radically change things. But, unfortunately, people for the most part don't like change. Good luck convincing the world to just toss out all technology and vanities they've been used to having all their life. And quite frankly, most modernization, it's ideals and it's inventions (in the West anyway), began with the Renaissance era. That's about 600 years we've been heading down this modern lifestyle, and war has been around even longer.

I want to believe the world can give it all up and live in peace, but that would take the cooperation of everybody. Violence is part of human nature, along with jealousy and greed. Maybe it hasn't been a part of us always, but it's here now, and I think it would take centuries to get rid of it again.

Of course there are people out there who want peace. This site is a clear example of that, and really if you ask most people in general, they'll say they'd rather have peace than war. But again, we'd need EVERYBODY'S cooperation..

It only takes two people to start a war....

 

I know of the existance of training camps where young americans are taught to hate and kill... we call it the US military. Or how about hate groups, like the KKK? don't they hurt and kill people who looked different, or those who have different beliefs?

It took me a few years (more like 10) to get out of the mindset the military put me through.

But anyways..

People now are greedy. We have no community. We can't even share. We'll let people starve to death in the streets before we think about feeding them. I don't want to believe that humanity is that naive to think that nothing can be done. We are well aware of that we do. We don't want it. We don't want to change it, even when Death and destruction is staring us right in the face.
Do you think about your own actions? How do you affect the world around you? Maybe that could be a better start.

 

There has never been peace in the history of the world.

So, don't count on it.

I'm all for peace - it's just getting the zillion other people to want the same thing.

 

I know they train people to kill. I'm not so sure about the hate part. The military people I have known never acted like they hated anybody. Not around me, anyway.

I think we have this problem under fairly good control inside the US. Our hate groups rarely ever kill anybody, and when they do, almost always somebody goes to prison for it.

 

Possession is, regardless whether prized or demonic.

 

I think as much as some of us might want war to go away..
I will never will.

 

Peace is something I think most people want, with the exception of crazy extremists all over the world. But without everyone on board with it wont happen, I try on my small level to make this world more peaceful but it will take more than me, and many of you. And I dont believe the military is taught to hate and kill, if that was the case I wouldnt be an hippie loving an marine. We are opposites on that spectrum, but in the end we are both just two people( as someone pointed that out to me on here) , he is doesnt go to work to kill, just to make a living. I think there is a ton of misinformation floating around, about how to end wars, and to have peace, but we should at least try to make it more peaceful, and stop looking at people as our enemies, but just as more people, if only everyone would see others like that we might have a start. It can happen, but we need to be out there reaching out to people in order to do any good. I hope one day we will see peace.