Shut up and get out of me face.

See this is the problem you have, you read the Bible the same way you read my posts, you only see want you want to see.


You say:

Whereas if you had read what I had posted you would have read that I have already said it is the same God and God has not changed.

As for the quote, you pick and choose and take out of context just to try and prove to yourself that since parts of the Bible seem to say things about God that you don't understand, then it's okay for you to pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible and ignore whatever Bible counsel that doesn't fit the lifestyle you have chosen for yourself.

 

Looking back on your previous post, I'm confused.

You say that there was no Christ, so the Jews couldn't have been Christians.

But judism was still the true religion back then, and if god said it was ok for them to kill children, (it would have actuly been immoral not to kill them) and god doesn't change, then we are faced with 2 options.

1. The only reason it was ok was because god said it was ok. Therefore whatever god tells you to do overrules his previously set laws (thou shall not kill)

or

2. Fleshly warfare is ok, (including the murder of children) which contradicts the new testement.

 

The discussion is do Christians fight in Armies? I said no and you said:

to which I said:

So although Jews did fight fleshly warfare for God they were not Christians. And although God has not changed he has a different assignment for Christians.

Yes, God can authorize fleshly warfare but that does not overrule his laws, the law was do not murder, not do not kill. The law that was given to the Jews included death for some offences and for the Jews to do that would mean they would have to kill those offenders but that was not considered murder, it was a matter of justice.

 

So war was ok for the Jews, but for Christians it's wrong?

By your logic, war itself isn't wrong, and being in the army isn't wrong, but it is if you're a Christian because you are specificly told not to.

Am I getting close?

 

Lostthoughts. I suggest you remove yourself this endless discussion, and probably the Christianity forum in general. The reason is obvious.

OlderWaterBrother and any other Christian believers here are in no need of any proof/theories/logic from anyone for the destruction of his beliefs.

No anger towards you. Just some honest advice.

But I hear OlderWaterBrother enjoys this kind of discussion. So in a funny sort of way you're part of the fulfillment in his story. I mean your story is a lot less constructive to anything, you're looking for a non existent answer.

 

I'm an asshole.

 

Yeah... I'm honastly just trying to see his opinions, at least he knows what he's talkng about more than people like candykid...

OWB just has a tendency to talk in circles... But whatever, I enjoy this kind of thing too.

Not as much as making stupid people look ridiculous, but it's still a good time

edit: and yeah, your right, there's no reasoning with these people. But owb has opinions I havnt heard before, not the ridiculous things people like candykid say without even backing up their opinions with bible verses.

I'm just having fun too

 

Na, at the very most you're a dick

 

That why I said i'm an asshole because I realized you probably enjoy it too. So have fun guys. I just can't get into the vicious cycle again and again.

 

That's too bad... Your posts in my one thread were pretty badass.

If you do end up coming back, just don't take them to seriously, just show them how ridiculous they're being

 

Yeah. I dont know.. It may be ridiculous to us. but in all honesty. It shouldn't be at all.

And yeah I wrote my heart out on that one thread... I feel like that's all I should say.

 

I'm cool with respecting peoples beliefs if they know what they're talking about, but if they don't, I respect them about as much as scientologists

 

For sure. OlderWaterBrother has proved to be one righteous fellow.

 

Owb, i am still waiting for your response...

I think I get what you're saying, tell me if I was right

 

I disagree... what you typed below I submit as evidence that you are not in fact an asshole.

I spent a good deal of my teenage years in a very stable, respectable, and devoutly Christian (Pentecostal) family. I did not adopt their specific set of beliefs- nor do I particularly ascribe to the teachings of any Christian sect... or any other religion for that matter there is but one thing that I got from this experience which had nothing to do with the faith as I saw and to some extend understood:

For a very good number of people it is important to follow some sort of faith and it accomplishes nothing positive to try and debunk what they've chosen to adopt and to try to get them to question the very foundation of what they hold value. Whether someone seeks their path to enlightenment by reading Bible, Torah, Quran,, or whatever it is not my place to try to convince anyone to abandon a faith. I find this to be common courtesy and have met many, many devout Christians who seem to agree.

It is also common courtesy I think to respect my chosen path to enlightenment and not attempt to make me believe that it is a path to destruction. I suspect that this is what Moksha was saying in his evoking the words of George Carlin.

My apologies for butting in on this.

Peace

 

Close, Christians are already fighting a war but as I said, not with Fleshly weapons

War in of its self is not wrong and being in an army in of its self is not wrong, as for Christians, you are correct, Christians are not to be fight in this world's conflicts.

Yep.

 

Actually, he asked about my Christian view of war and that does not challenge my beliefs at all. Since what I believe does not go along with what most "Christians" believe at first they may seem confusing but after discussion, I believe you will see that they are consistent and not contradictory.

 

Thanks, I've enjoyed talking with you as well.

 

Pretty close.

Just as a side note, when you asked if war and being in the army wrong, the Bible states at Revelation 19:19 ... and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army. This indicates that if you are in one of the "kings" armies or one of the world's armies at that time, you are going to be on the wrong side of that battle with Jesus and his army of angels. That war will soon be waged, so I would not suggest that anyone join one of the world's armies at this time.

 

I guess my question would be; isn't steel strengthened by fire?

I myself encourage others to try to convince me to abandon my faith and attempt to make me believe that it is a path to destruction. Only then can one see if what they believe is worth holding on to or whether it is time to move on to something more substantial.

Meditation and contemplation are good things but if they lead you to places that can't hold up in the real world, then you are living in a dream world that doesn't exist and it's time to move on.

So, if I'm going down a path that leads to nowhere, personally, I would like someone to tell me but please be ready to show me that better way and why it is a better way and please be ready for me to examine it very closely.

PS I also know that there are many who don't feel this way and when you find that out, as you say, it's just common courtesy to move on and leave them alone as nothing positive would be accomplished.