You *must* die on LSD

To trip on LSD successfully

you must die.

To die is to let go

after this, you are reborn

simply taking a high dose isnt enough.......fear is still powerful enough to latch onto.

but you must let go of everything. even fear.

your mind will lie to you, and tell you that you won't come back.

but that is because your mind has confused perceptions of death.

But it's not death

It's being reborn

and it's the greatest experience a person can have. and the irony is that most people spend their entire lives avoiding this, because...

they believe the fear.

let go of everything....for whatever you fail to let go of, THIS is what is blocking you

If you don't "die", you have failed.

You held on to your egoic consciousness till the end...and waited for the drug's affects to pass you by

You took the safe way out, fueled by pure ignorance, and you failed...but you can't even know that, until you've succeeded...

in dying.

and you'll find that, despite whatever you chose, or did, or believed, you are still there.......yes, you are stlil there. and it is the most beautiful thing. truly, the most beautiful thing, friends, and all you want to do is share, and teach this...but society will brand you insane. You can't give this knowledge to another unless you are a Jesus, or Buddha, etc...and while the feeling may end one day, simply to know that it exists is enough to change a man forever

then you will know, why the buddha said, ignorance is the cause of all suffering

the end

 

I have a question about this (do you have MSN/aiM?).
I would like to try this, and I am not for the most part scared, but a couple things

#1 do you lose your motor skills? I would at least like to remain safe
#2 afterwards, are you on the intelligent side completely there?

#3 I study Japanese for my major, silly question perhaps but, I'm not going to like cause damage or stunt my capacity to continue to speak and learn that am I?

Questions of this type of nature. If you find you kind of grasp what I'm asking about, do share more input.

*if you have aim/MSN, let me know, as I'd like to ask more...

 

Just remember that you took it and don't do more than one illegal thing at a time.

 

Hi Kokukin.

I recommend LSD to no one

When you realize the truth, you are crazy by society's definition, and by the definition of 99.9% of people who live in society

that is because people project the limits which they have placed on their own minds. they know no better.

my LSD trip could have gone really bad. I wanted to share my knowledge with the world, but eventually I decided that I would have to "lay low" for my own good. and IT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION.

LSD can be very dangerous, ok? IF you get your mind wrapped up in the wrong ideas, I could easily see how someone could suffer permanent damage.

I am also inclined to believe that some people on LSD are tricked by their egos. enlightenment is like a process which requires discernment. I feel this way because during my trip, I experienced this "false-knowledge", but for some reason I can't really say why I said 'NO!!!!!!!!', i refused to believe anything, I rebelled, and this led down a completely different path. if people are gullible they could just believe all the ideas floating around, without actually thinking about them. hmm, this is really hard to describe so I'll just stop.

however, if you wish to take LSD i recommend having some background knowledge on ego/buddhism...I feel like this plants the roots in one's mind of what is possible to achieve. It gives a direction to go into. If you have sober experience with your ego, controlling it, etc, basically LSD will enhance your perception so that you can take an ultra-introspective look at your self, and from this knowledge learn about the entire universe.

my first LSD trip (i've only done 2) changed me forever. Shrooms have never really had lasting effects, but I feel like I almost owe my life as I know it to LSD.

 

Yes you must! And once you die you realize there is no such thing is death. I have died and been reborn many of times while tripping, each time coming back a little purer.

 

Oh Lord, she up and died now.
She wanted to die,
And the only way to fly is die, die, die.



I shoot for die everytime.

 

Be in a safe enviroment, dose high, and let go. You will be even better when you come back.

 

Lmao this topic is straight to the point. Hell yeah. Inexperienced dosers, I recommend 5-10 hits to die without conscious effort. To everybody who wonders about what's on the other side, can't really be said, it's a wordless reality when you're frying that hard. But you just KNOW.

 

I achieved this on 2 strong hits

 

Come on pal get a grip. I grew up in the 60's and 70's, lots of trips,I'm still here,never died. In fact on Christmas eve 1979 I did 8 hits of windowpane on top of a 24 of Canadian beer and a bottle of Vodka, I had a wicked experience where I thought I saw God , but I am still here. I think therefore I am, or another way of putting it grey cells do grow back

 

You must ingest LSD

 

I do not mean to appear elitist but merely wish to dispense meaningful advice and generate discussion. I feel that in order to maximize one's LSD experience they must use its powers to confront their own death and eventually conquer it

 

Yes you must! And once you die you realize there is no such thing is death. I have died and been reborn many of times while tripping, each time coming back a little purer.

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I've actually dosed a handful of times before. I enjoy it. I for the most part accept the trip for where it takes me, 'cuz it would be silly to take a physcadelic and then not do so (why I think bad trips happen a lot. People who take a drug to trip, but only want it to go in certain ways).

Anyways. This whole, "you must die on LSD" stuff, and this whole "Other side," "See God," talk. I've actually heard it being said elsewhere too, and it gets me interested to thinking perhaps there is a more than just run of the mill "trippin balls" experience on LSD.

Now, I've read buddhist stuff and such too, and enjoy the thought process and logic behind a lot of it, but to be honest, I think anything on LSD is going to feel like enlightenment, opened conscious, etc. I'm not sure if it's necessarily a "legit" heightened state of consciousness, or a high person goin' "Man, let me tell you about the world here..."

Actually interested in what the consensus here thinks. Who thinks there's some truth to this? Who, in a more down-to-earth perspective just thinks you simply trip balls, have your delusions and return back to normal?

If there's some support and truth to this "you must die" approach, I would definitely be willing to try it. But again, it's not going to mess up my ability to continue Japanese I hope. I don't mind if I have a new perspective on things, so long as cognitively I don't become a vegetable.

 

Read the Psychedelic Experience. It has a lot of eastern terminology and they draw connections between spiritual "enlightenment" .. psychotherapy .. Tibetan Book of the Dead.. rebirths.. bla bla.. maximizing an individuals personal spiritual potential after a trip and all that other good stuff. I believe in the "reality" of these things, though to a novice in the area may find it completely bizarre and far-fetched.. though for me it's been true. The death is very symbolic and regards the ego in my experience.

The words that build up the psychedelic experience are completely meaningless though in themselves, nothing to really "believe in", it just helps familiarize you with certain aspects of a heavy trip so you can enter into a state of ego-loss fearlessly.

The guides actually for maximizing and maintaining the ego-death experience, though as you said above some people believe and it is true -- that some "go back to normal after a trip". Though there are ways to keep the added depth through a more spiritual approach and not so recreational.

 

I agree with most of this being said. Some people enlightenment just comes natural though. Enlightenment means different things to different people too, like enlightenment for me is realizing that everything can be fun it depends on your perspective, and then realizing perspectives are limitless.

I don't like how you keep using the word "die" though, I don't like that word at all. You can call it being reborn, that makes more sense and isn't as nasty.

Yes I have taken two strong doses people say go harder all the time like Mr.Writer and such, mabey I will eventually if its a day that feels right. I enjoy acid more by just doing a half of a hit once in a while though, it just makes everything significantly better.

 

If your really keying into "enlightenment" then it's not really about what Enlightenment means to you and because that criteria has been sufficed so then now "your more enlightened now than before". "Enlightenment" is a state of consciousness called samadhi and you experience it. Feeling enlightened is make believe for it's not being enlightened.

 

sleep and dreaming parallel death. the only difference is that your energy body isn't severed from your physical body during sleep.

this is sort of off topic, but you could take a low, oneirogenic dose of acid before sleep and experience the effects in dreams to a degree that you can't possibly reach when awake. in that state you can truly learn about death - there are no limits or threats to your physical self, but your mind/ego is experiencing it all nonetheless.

 

Sounds interesting, you have experienced this?

what is a "low, oneirogenic dose"?

 

Ok, I have been away from the forum for a while and look what i come back too.

This whole die bullshit is stupid, you are making more of it then need be. The only thing you need to do is to enjoy it. You are not going to freak out unless you bring it on yourself.

If you do start freaking out, look at some paintings or drink a mouthfull of orange juice, it brings you down for about 20 seconds.

You still have all your motor function, i wouldnt drive a car, but you are grand. You are still you, but you perseption of the world is diffrent, it's beautiful. You can see sound, and taste colours and eating spice food is like watching a fireworks display.

If worst comes to worst, throw on a some comedy and you wet yourself laughing.

 

I'm pretty sure the OP is trying to make a point about ego death. A rather dangerous and foolish point, because some people don't understand what he's talking about.

OP, if that's not what you mean, you're doing it all wrong. A psychedelic rebirth need not involve death, that's rather morbid and bad trip inducing.

That said, ego death is great, though I've only experianced it on DXM.

Then, percieved physical death is terrafying on any psychedelic, though also quite odd, to be quite clearly dead yet conscious. Remember boys and girls, when you kick the bucket, it's NOT like when you thought you did on shrooms