Advice about Jimson Weed

Yeah.. I'm going to give this a little more time for consideration.

 

seriously.

 

Well, I didn't "enjoy" mushrooms the first few times.. but I was still in love with them.

Either way, I've decided at this time that I am not quite ready for this trip.

 

Wise choice grasshopper

 

Errr,,, someone I know very very well has been working with it cautiously for about two years now.

Have yet to reach the delirious stage as he has yet to smoke more than 1 teaspoon of dried leaf & or stem material, He'll get there eventually but he's not trying to dive in head first here, risky waters with sharks and so forth call for a cautious approach.

Heres some key points to remember,

#1: He started working with it by mixing one match heads worth of crushed leaf at a time as should anyone else trying this, one never knows if they have a particular allergy to any of the alkaloids or whatnot. Better safe than dead right? And it can kill you if you're not really careful, Conversely there have been countless cultures that have used their local Datura varieties as ritual sacraments, visionary tools and components of other psychedelic admixtures for thousands of years,,,

#2: Atropine does build up in the system, you will most likely still notice it's effect days later if you smoke weed, producing a rather delirious mindset but no real hallucinations to speak of, but I'd guess it to be a fair entry point taste of what to expect with a heavier dose. Smoking a small quantity of Datura leaf with an equal part of marijuana will potentiate the effect of the Datura greatly. Best, safest bet would be to not use more often that once every two weeks, incrementally building up the dosage till you find your threshold.

#3: Recently he discovered that it seems the Pithy portion of the stalks contain an abundant quantity of the alkaloids, the bark and woody fiber seem to almost counteract whichever compound is mostly in the pith. Of course this needs further verification as it may have been just random chance (see #4).

#4: The potency will vary a great deal from plant to plant and even on the same plant, one leaf will not be as potent as the next. From weakest to strongest, leaves, stems / stalk and seed in that order. As such, my friend strongly advises to work with a normalized batch, that is to take a good number of plant matter and mix them well so as to help balance out any irregularities in the potency.

On a side note, most of the "Bad experiences " seem to be the result of folks grabbing up a bunch and smoking away at it like it's weed or something without keeping proper respect for this incredibly powerful and hazardous plant or making a super potent tea from seeds and downing it all like it was kool aid.

And just a thought, but perhaps you should read a bit about DMT. The experiences seem slightly similar in their intensity but theres much more acceptance of it as the bulk of experiences have been positive.

One last thing, while you're taking those first match-head baby steps, be sure to keep a dream journal as one of the main uses of the plant has traditionally been to potentiate lucid or visionary dreaming. In fact, get in the habit of keeping the journal prior to working with the plant.

 

I know you will probably not listen to me. But please dont try it. from my religious point of view every plant has a spirit , and not all spirits are good. Datura is one ugly, mean spirit. I respect the plant, and I wont take it, on the other aspect since you might not and probably do not believe in plant spirits, datura is an poison. there is no dosage set , which makes it very dangerous. You seriously could die. All for wanting that experience. And from a close friend of mine, who is physically fucked up from it, it isnt worth it. If you want an good life altering experience try peyote or better do ayahuasca also known as aya, yage, etc. it is from the bani cappi plant (very long name just look up ayahuasca) and psychotria ...made into an tea. ayahuasca.com, has forums, with a great prep basic. It literally changed my life, and I only did it 3 times in a year.

 

I'll side with psyche there, Ayahusca is a much safer alternative from all I've read, much like DMT.
And if you're willing to do a good amount of research you can find all the essentials for growing your own sources to produce a near analog to it with plants that will manage in your climate.

A great deal of caution is advisable if you choose Datura, as they mention it can mess you up permanently if not kill you outright if you overconsume.

If you choose to go ahead with it, one last word of caution. much like on the same plant how each leaf can be more potent than the next, so goes it from one plant to the next, meaning that someday my friend may find a plant where just 1/4 teaspoon will push him over his threshold (I doubt it, but wont rule out the potential)

 

These last few posts have been very enlightening. Could one of you PM me and further explain this growing process?

 

If you really want to try Datura, maybe try Dramamine(motion sickness pills) first. Dramamine acts as a deliriant more like Datura then PCP. I've never tried Datura but from reading about it I can say Dramamine is pretty similar. It's kind of amusing and interesting, but overall it's really not that enjoyable or profound a trip. Your short term memory is obliterated while on the drug, you can be saying a sentence and forget halfway through what you were talking about. it's really frustrating. Also I went on a 1 week binge when I first discovered Dramamine this summer. This culminated in me taking 24 alone in my room and smoking a 10 bag of weed. One of the few things I remember seeing is my sister randomly pop up in my room. She was hysterically crying and screaming. It was sooooo disturbing. I figured it was a hallucination so I went out to touch it and make it dissapear. Thankfully Dramamine only lasts strong for 2-4 hours unlike jimson weed. I haven't touched it since, especially because my friend had a seizure on this stuff. If you decide to do this I would find a dark room and take 14-16 of these pills, and be prepared to trip balls.


http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_effects.shtml
Notice the two positive effects, to the 15 or so negative ones, that says it all I think.

 

Very helpful suggestion. I'll look into that.

Can anyone back this up? On the similarities between the two substances?

 

Actually I just read one report on someone eating 25 seeds of Datura. It actually sounds ridiculously like one time I ate 12 Dramamine and smoked some weed. Similarities and consistencies I've noticed between the two:
Dreamlike State
Likelife hallucinations, hard to distinguish what's real and what's not
Auditory hallucinations, particularly your name being called
Conversations with people who are not there or unanimated objects
Much more intense in a completely dark room or place
And pretty much mental retardation lol

Dramamine's a lot less dangerous and from what I gather just a bit less intense at a safe dose. Also my friend only had a seizure cause he fell and smacked his head, that still spooked me though. Also it's shorter in duration so that's a plus.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76457 This is that report by the way.

Hope this helps