High Dosing Environments

I've seen someone eat a half sheet, same guy also took a half vial in the face accidentally,,, Sure he tripped balls for a week, but it didn't fuck him up one bit, in fact if it made any changes to his psyche they were likely beneficial.

If you keep telling yourself "I have to be careful and not do too much or I'll flip out!" you will do exactly that if only for the sake that your mind is convinced that's whats going to happen. It's a self fulfilling prophecy at best and bottom line is it's all on you as to if those fears will manifest themselves.

My friend is also of the firm opinion that he would do the heroic-dosage again anytime. Provided he could get a week off of work to enjoy it.

 

I don't think pissing your pants is necessarily a good indicator of the strength of a trip. It's more of an indication of the nature of your friends bowels, nervous system, and idiosyncratic reaction to a moderate dose of LSD. You still don't get it. You're still pulling the exact same line you pull in every thread. "my acid is SO strong dude". "you dont even KNOW how hard i trip off 2 hits". Ok, that's great, now take that very strong acid that i don't even understand how strongly you trip off 2 hits, and take 5 hits of it.

Do you understand now? We are talking about high doses fresh. High doses. It's great that you have acid that makes you trip really really hard off 2. That's fantastic. Guess what, so do others here. Now take MORE, because 2 hits of ANY acid, even the worlds best acid, is not a high dose. Period. And you having 15 people tell you not to take a lot of this acid doesn't mean anything man. It just means that you know your average acid user; the guy who takes a hit or two, reflexively drowns the experience in cannabis/alcohol, etc. If you're interested in the higher effects of these entheogens, like total ego death, you're just gonna have to learn that going about it your friend's way doesn't work. There are different ways to use acid. The way we speak of in this thread is to take mucho hits.

 

While some have absolutely none at all,,, :sad: :willy_nilly:

 

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. It's especially fun in hotels when the guy running the place has been dosed too.

 

... a high dose seems like I'd want to be somewhere COMPLETELY safe. no festival, no unfamiliar space, nowhere where I would feel like the experience could be interrupted and require me having to DO anything other than be awash in the experience.

But that would be for a high dose.

BTW, what do you guys consider starting territory for a high dose? I was thinking a 10 strip is probably a good starting place. Thoughts? I mean, is there really any reason NOT to jump in? I can't imagine what. There is enough documentation and experiences to suggest a high dose doesn't have to be scary, or anything to be apprehensive about.

Of course I wouldn't suggest someone taking a high dose if they didn't want to face everything that goes with it, but ... seems like the smarter way to do it. Why have the possibility of spending a trip fighting a trip when you can just blast off?

Take 2, take 5, take 10. You'll come back, eventually.

Maybe some people are apprehensive because they think it'll change them for the negative? Even "bad" trips can be profoundly life altering for the good, if anything I think my trips that turned, how some would say bad, were good experiences once I emerged. The experience is just the experience. Trips are trips.

 

Most agreed Tide, all my bad one's ended up good in the long run, in hindsight.

 

i would consider a high dose one that moves beyond that threshold of feeling like anymore would drive you insane. ime there is a level of tripping where that edge disapears...anything less always feels like too much to me in a way, because it always feels like im being pushed just beyond my comfort zone. but there is a point to be reached when the comfort zone is no longer visible from the position your occupying. its an unfathomable expireince...its like "alright im in it deep, nothing to do but keep movin through it" theres no time or energy to trip on the fact that your beyond what you previously thought was the limits of your threshold. your just in it deep.

 

Lol that first paragraph was soo fuckn funny. I get your point i dunno see what happens next year then.

This makes alot of sense, not only is it worded good, but I remember people talking about that on here before.

 

I would say plan ahead good for a high dose experience. If you think a ten strip is good , get 12 hits, take 1-2 first and see where that takes you. Then judge from that how potent a hit is and then decide how many you want to high dose with. Wait at least a week and when the time is right dose the rest.

How much is a "high dose"?
*Average street doses are usually around 80-100ugs for decent hits.
*Moderate to strong dose would be about 200-250ugs
*Sit the fuck down cause your tripping hard dose is about 400-600ugs
*Dissolve into the white void and merge with all regardless if you want to, it's gonna happen high dose is anything over 800-1000 ugs
*Epic heroic leave the planet for a while dose 2500+ugs
Thumbprint dose ? (measured in the milligrams)

Most often the rewarding and educational trips are the "bad" ones. All depends on your motives and expectations going into it as to how well you are able to integrate the experience positively into your life.

Here is an excerpt from this risk assement;
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:qGGR_ehqIb0J:www.clusterbusters.com

"The lack of significant long-term negative effects of LSD use is also supported by Doblin et al’s 40-year follow-up interview study of patients treated by psychiatrist Oscar Janiger. Between 1954 and 1962, Dr. Janiger studied the effects of LSD on 900 mostly healthy individuals using moderate doses of LSD in a psychotherapeutic setting. For the follow-up study, most of the original participants were deceased, leaving 45 people willing or able to respond to the interviews.

One subject reported mildly disturbing flashbacks that stopped after one year. Another cited psychological disturbances, but admitted to previous psychiatric issues before entering the study. Even subjects who noted “negative” reactions (eg, unexpected “realizations”), felt on balance they served a beneficial purpose. Doblin notes that these findings are consistent with other long-term studies."

The good that bad trips can manifest is one of the benefits of the experience. It all depends on your perspective.

 

Sorry, what I meant was this year, i'm still used to talking like its last year lol

 

Can you snowboard on 2 of your hits?

 

Yeah I "could". I haven't. Today it would have been way too crazy for that, thats for sure. Also I can't drive safely with two hits so I might not have made it back.

 

Question:

You don't have to worry about :

a) Tolerance

b) I feel that first trip may release and get a lot of the interpersonal tripping out of the way. I wonder if that second experience a week later won't be cheapened.

 

The more acid heads i speak to, the rarer I notice it seems to be to use it as anything other than a party drug... To be honest, i havn't met anyone in real life that i'm convinced has actually experienced ego death... People look at me strangely when i mention the consciousness being temporalily sperate from the body, 'seeing' deep within the psyche with something other than the two normal eyes or slipping 'across' from here.

As soon as someone mentions what 'this world' was doing (ie: "oh man, i was tripping SOOOOO hard, the trees were melting all around me") it becomes abundantly clear that they are not at all actually 'tripping hard' as there would be no such trees to melt! (or that they have had 'enough' to slip accross, but either havnt put themselves in a situation where that is possible (music, quiet listening, contemplation, privacy to 'let go').

They are missing the beauty of the drug! Complimenting the frame of a Picasso while failing to even see the painting at all

I know each to there own but it is truly a magical experience like no other, that moment, when time ceases to exist, when the note spirals on forever and you melt into infinity... I feel blessed to have been able to experience it.

 

Inspiring. Enough so that the next time L comes my way I think I'm just going to have to go for the gold and really see what this REALLY all about.
Supposed to be getting "fluff" from someone whom I trust who is well connected so ... i'm a hoping.

What's the recovery time like on a high dose? I expect you need at least a day after to straighten out your thoughts in able to work again. Perhaps two or three days?
(and by recovery I just mean "not tripping" because, uh, well who knows)

 

A high dose is one where walking is met with tremendous difficulty or impossible, depending on substance. Much less any kind of athletic exertion. And grinners got it perfectly. as soon as someone says 'man i was tripping so hard that X Y Z" where X Y Z is something trippy happening to something, and it sounds like how it would sound if someone were tripping in a hollywood movie . . . it's not a high dose.

the world as you know it will end on a high dose.

 

Yeah well it was high enough for me. You guys don't even know what I experienced on salvia I could still walk (from one demension into another)
I don't consider LSD a party drug, so don't make that assumption. I guess it could be, since it makes everything better, but I like to call it an enlightenment drug.

 

I agree, all of my "bad" trips ended up turning into something positive.

And Pb smith, oh my god.. a thumbprint. I would absolutely LOVE to do a fucking thumbprint.. I cant even imagine.. well I can imagine, but my imagination is nothing compared to what that would be like.. thumbprint, shit. I hope so, one day. Give me a month to recover though...

And I know you dont measure a thumbprint, its just a peice of acid before its made into liquid.. but I wonder how many ug's a thumbprint would be? How many sheets would that equal to? Well beyond a "bible" I imagine..

 

Ahhh man.. the fucking spiral shit.. I took DOM one time.. and experinced said spirals. It was absolutely amazing.. and I dont mean seeing spirals, I mean spiraling out of this world and traveling up with the spirals. I talked to God, the Devil, deceased family and all sorts of stuff.. but I didnt have enough to get a full experince, it was not that strong and did not last that long (couple hours maybe).

I want to feel what you have described, when times ceases to exsist, melting into infinity, spiraling out, meeting god and seeing what the universe truely is not just what our senses are able to allow us to percieve.. something I've dreamed of since I began reading of hallucinogens.

And I agree, its funny when people say they are tripping balls because they saw trees melting. And ego loss, traveling the universe from within your mind.. is something completely beyond watching the walls melt and things change colors. Theres a whole other side to the universe..

 

This reminds me of DMT. Just like salvia i left the world and all I saw were PERFECT geometrical patterns, like patterns you would actually see in a kalaidascope, except with your own eyes. I did not even know a drug could make you see perfect patterns its just amazing.