MGS Tincture : Very Strong!!!

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  1. ancient powers

    ancient powers Member

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    So I was testing a new recipe in my lab and stumbled across what I feel to be an amazing discovery for my personal research. I am closer than ever to something even more special.

    I recieved a recipe from a friend on hip which really got me excited. Even though I used only one or two pieces of the recipe and crafted my own. It was the inspiration I needed.

    The recipe involves washing HBWRS in naphtha, straining, then drying the seeds. I refuse to incorporate naphtha washes which is called defatting. A previous attempt removed alkaloids. I do not recommend.

    Instead of HBWRS I had in my inventory MGS that I know for sure work. In this test I was testing for MGS for tincture making material, peppermint oil LSH conversion, and for the reality of a simple effective tincture.

    161g (40mg LSA) of Heavenly Blues MGS were finely ground via electric coffee grinder. The MGS powder was added to a clean pint pickle jar with double the seed volume in vodka. Example is if you have 200ml MGS powder then fill to 400ml mark with vodka. The mixture was vigorously shaken and allowed to soak for 1h 15m in the freezer with vigorous shaking every 15min. A few ml of peppermint oil was added to convert LSA to LSH.

    Before straining the mixture was shaken then poured through a fine mesh strainer and the puddle was carefull stirred with a spoon while scraping the bottom to release the fluid. The seed pulp is scrapped, stirred and pressed to help release the fluid. The extracted fluid is then stirred and refiltered in a clean fine mesh to ensure maximum sediment removal.

    The fluid was then poured onto a large flat bottom glass dish and a fan was used to blow across the surface to induce rapid evaporation. This took all day and it smelled very strong from the peppermint oil. The mixture was allowed to sit one more day with no fan to full dry before scrapping.

    The scrapping weighed 36g. Luckily I had a 6oz tincture bottle cuz I was pulling for my 2oz. The extract powder filled to the 3oz mark and I added vodka to the 4oz mark for reconstitution. It took well. I added a ml of peppermint oil to ensure any conversion. :deadxmas:
     
  2. ancient powers

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    So the next day I decided to test the sample. I had calculated that 6 droppers would equal 1mg, so I went with that theory for dosage. I like my LSA in the 3mg+. So I went 18 dropperfuls. Unfortunately the extract was so thick the dropper would be inconsistent in pulling up liquid. So I cleaned the dropper and used it to fill a shot glass to the desired level with with water. Those 4oz droppers are bigger and I think the take 2ml. Anyways I was led to pour in 1/2oz of the liquid. This provided 5mgs LSA.

    It was first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I mixed the 1/2oz in some water and had cut oranges to bite on to relieve the bitterness. The mixture was not bad. Should of drank more water to wash it down.

    So I went to lie in comfortable quiet position and wait for the effects to kick in. I would say 15min neurons are firing hard behing the eyelids and my assemblage point is unhinging. It seems that the memory of the nasty tasting potions is what really makes you vomit. The thought of the peppermint oil in my stomach made me vomit. I never had full blown peppermint smelling vomit. This peppermint oil thing has gone a bit far.

    I felt great drank water and continued to lie in a darkend quiet room until the effects had fully come. I would say 45min I was fully turned on. I couldnt tell if there was something different about the experience because I have LSA experience registered for comparison against another substance. The intensity with which this stuff came on was impressive.

    Very LSA like. Do not think peppermint oil is neccessary. Caused nausea and discomfort. More testing will conclusivly test for actual LSH conversion.

    When you take LSA make sure you have no schedules or work. It seems the thinking process is quieted. It like looking at the world with no thoughts. This substance definetely works on the concious part of the mind.

    I like LSA. Better than DXM or 2C-I. In my opinion it puts you in a very meditative state. The tincture did not make me nasueous. I felt good all day. Very strong.
     
  3. ancient powers

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    So now according to my personal research I am closer to the most absolute equivilant to LSD you could make at home. The simplest recipe no one would ever believe you even if you gave it to them.

    100 HBWRS are cleaned with fingernail to remove the fuzzy coatings. The seeds are then finely ground into powder via coffee grinder. The seeds are allowed to soak in a double volume of vodka in the freezer with constant shaking every 15 min for 1hr. The contents are filtered a few times through clean fine mesh and the pulp removed from the liquid. The liquid is then poured onto a large flat bottomed glass dish and dried with a fan blowing over the top. The residue is scraped and reconstituted with 25ml fresh premium vodka in a 1oz amber ticture dropper bottle.

    Now this is where you test for LSH. The droppers pull 1ml at a time and the equivilant of this tincture will be 1mg LSA per 1 1ml dropper. Im sure we may even be able to make it even more concentrated than that. The tincture dose should be mixed with a small amount of water and citrus fruit slices are bit into to neutralize any bitterness.

    One day the pure LSA tincture is tested. Then peppermint oil is added and allowed to sit for at least a day in the tincture. Then the effects can be tested with an equal dose to the previous LSA.

    Once I finish my MGS tincture then I can move onto to making the new improved HBWRS version. For now MGS are reserved for sacred rituals. Ground up seeds soaked in a double portion of cold distilled water in the fridge for 1hr with shaking every 15min. The liquid strained a few times to remove seed pulp. Consumed on an empty stomach and slices of citrus fruit are used to neutralize any bitternes and plenty of water is consume afterwards to wash the stomach in case of purge.
     
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    Here is the original recipe that got me started. This is for informational purposes only and feel it to be way to overkill

    First off you always want to start with a larger quantity of seeds then would think is enough...(due to potentcy variability)
    - Grind seeds in a coffee grinder
    - Stuff seeds in a stainless, copper or glass tube with one end only small enough to stick a butane nozzle in and on the other end a 1-3inch opening for filter.
    - Squirt the butane threw nozzle end all the crap will fall out thru the filter at the bottom. Do this twice for like 3-8 seconds. Make sure not too much pressure builds or you will literally blast your seeds right out the tube.
    - Remove seeds from tube and allow to dry for 1 hr
    - put seeds in a SMALL jar smaller the better easier to work with, with 95% or better alcohol either Grain or IPA/Rubbing.
    - Add a few drops of peppermint oil this is high in acetalhyde and has acetic acid in it to make the LSA/LSH more stable.
    - Shake this around hard for 10min then allow to sit in fridge for another hour and 45min.(2 hour extraction)
    - carefully pour off top into a filter make sure all seed gook stays in jar.
    - Evaporate this down to desired amount(patience is way better, you can use a fan, but if you use heat don't go higher then 100 degrees F.) or evaporate to dry extract(it will be slightly oily from the peppermint oil) and scrape to reconstitute with 60% or better alcohol.(the Tincture has a way better effect then dry extract)
    _ Have a nice trip...OR If you want something more pure don't use peppermint oil in first stages. You will also be loosing LSA doing these washes but whatever you want it more pure.
    - after you have evaporated it down reconstitute it only in really COLD 99% rubbing alcohol..do this 3 times leaving the GOOK at he bottom each time.. There is still a small amount of LSA in the gook but discard it or eat it later...
    - after final scrape and its completely dry reconstitute it in only grain alcohol and add peppermint oil
    - Potency at could be very very high at this point and i suggest you don't eat this unless weighed on a really good scale before you reconstitute it..
     
  5. pr0ne420

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    Sweet man, I want to try this.
     
  6. Whoyoucantsee

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    OK! I got super into this little extraction since i wanted to try MGS for the first time w/o the water tek or packing just powdered seeds into capsules.

    I have a few questions for this tek.

    1. Do you HAVE to reconstitute the evaporated MGS scrapings in grain alcohol for consumption? or can I just put these scrapings into capsules and dose that way?

    2. Your tek posted calls for no naptha wash? (just a bit confused lol)

    3. Can the vodka sold at super markets for ($10 - 1.75Lt) Popov or similar bargain vodkas work? or do I have to use something expensive? Would 91% IPA rubbing alcohol work in this method?

    4. After being measured into an acurate dose with a dropper then evaporated (after recostitution) can it then put into capsules with crushed vitamin c?

    Sorry for all the Q's, hope to get some help if you can =)
     
  7. PeaceAndRasta

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    this is so good,
    im thinkin of clearing a spot in my room and get a new nice rug that i will be able to sit on comfortably and meditate ~_~

    u enjoyed reading this, and as im thinkin for the future, i night try it, but i do not look forward to it on working with this substance on regular bases.
     
  8. ancient powers

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    Thank you guys for the positive responses. This is the true scoop. I have decided to clean the MGS tincture up a bit. For one thing guys LSH conversion with peppermint oil is hogwash. My best buddy says the stuff could kill you in high amounts. Your better off defatting the solution of vodka and seed powder and seperating. Compared to washing the seed powder first. Even though LSA isnt solvant soluble it still goes with the gravity and moving of fluids. Plus seeds are nowhere near as oily as san pedro cacti. So it is unneccassary. I am going to refilter the MGS tincture very carefully, evaporate and reconstitute. I want to remove as much peppermint oil and excess seed pulp as possible then reconstitute. That peppermint oil made me ill. Cheap vodka is fine.
     
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    The MGS tincture cleaned up great I was able to remove lots of excess sediment and reduce the tincure from 6oz to 2oz. I tested the reduced batch at 6ml @ the equivilant of 3mg LSA. If there was LSH conversion it is similar to LSA. Very strong still and very clean. This one produced no nasuea and very little taste except residual peppermint oil.
     
  10. PeaceAndRasta

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    u r the man!
    i actually worked with hawaiian woodrose last week.
    i took 8, and grounded it up and poured it into a cup that had vitamin c, lemon juice, and water.
    then me and my friend were unpacient, and just drank it.
    we did had nausea, but it did not bother us again once we puked.
    i do not see why u use morning glory, it seems to me that the hawaiin seeds are way better.
    anyways, ive had the most meaningful trip ive ever experienced. prety much a complete psychedelic experience.
     

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