Impossible to imagine.

Regardless we may be present to awareness on any terms.

Who is we?

 

Being present to awareness is not tantamount to being conscious of it, though.

By we I mean the human race as a whole, and all the evidence we have compiled collectively.

 

Did you know there are people in this world who have never heard of spaghetti and do not know what it is? Nor have they even considered that such a thing might exist. Have you encountered the whole human race? Have you reviewed this vast mountain of evidence?

 

thinking about death was always boring for me. maybe cause i understand it how some others see it. everything in life that u love is gone - BORING

heh but then again...thinking about the afterlife and thinking about death are two different things. Am i right?

 

I don't believe this is true.
No one is constantly having thoughts. And if you are, what about the period of time between each thought, are you in possession of consciousness then?
Or what about those who venture into deep meditation? The ability of cessation of thought, at least momentarily, is actually an aspiration for some people, and some actually achieve it.

It isn't really a stretch of logic, it's just pure observation. People who look dead to us don't seem to be experiencing or reacting to anything, so many assume that they just don't exist anymore.
All I'm saying is, perhaps what really defines a "person" isn't something that can be seen, that maybe the body/mind is the effect and not the cause, and that maybe there is more to consciousness than brain waves and blood vessels.

 

My post didn't really have anything to do with people knowing about spaghetti....
Yes, there may be a super secret group of people somewhere that know all the secrets of existence, but nobody has ever documented them or encountered them in any way. Such is speculation though and has no place in my making observations.

You never stop thinking. You're constantly taking in data and interpreting it at an advanced level, or least advanced in comparison to creatures that run on pure instinct. Even in meditation the human mind is making new connections and such. If you ever were to completely stop thinking, yes, you would no longer be conscious. That's a vegetative state.

Yes, that's my point. I was just making an observation and everyone shit their pants. I clearly stated I don't think there's no possibility other than simply disappearing when you die.

 

But the speculations you just posited, do.

 

Since it is so clearly stated then I suppose the double, or is it triple negative, is intended to confuse.

 

The speculations I posted were my thoughts on what happens if all there is to existence is what science knows, not what might be if that isn't true.

 

It's your fault if you didn't understand this:

 

I understand it alright, it's just that my evidence is different from yours, so I know that the only conclusion you claim can be made, is a false one.

 

/facepalm.

 

I hear ya, it's a dilemma.

 

What always gets me is that people who have died and come back (by this I mean people who have undergone accident or surgery in which their heart stopped beating for a period and were revived) Sometimes report having met god or some other wild religious experience.

now, if you were dead long enough for your brain to be destroyed then obviously there would be no hope for revival, and therefore no account of what happens after your brain dies. But I dunno if it's ghost stories, trauma induced hallucinations, false memories or actual phenomena but it does leave one to wonder......



also, I don't mean to flame, but dope...everything you have posted so far has been some sort of useless dig at another poster. So if your done with your pseudo intellectual assault on mudkip, or your fact of the day about pasta, could you share this secret evidence with the rest of the forum and further the conversation instead of trying to get them to just give up? rettyplease:

 

It involves an interaction between my deceased wife, myself, and another person. This other person and myself became aware simultaneously of a definite presence, one that this other person correctly identified as my wife, even though that person had never met her. I'm not saying that that is proof of anything definitive, but is is enough to entertain the possibility.
I am inviting thought. The fact that you feel required to call upon me, belies your statement that it is pseudo-intellectual or useless.

 

No, I have to agree with hazed. Your experience is interesting though. How did you identify it as your wife?

By the way hazard, I've thought about people that have experiences like that when they almost die as well. I guess there's no way we'll ever know what really happened to them.

 

Do you have any prolonged or deep experience with meditation?
If not, you aren't really going to be understand how truly clear that state is.

To me it just seems like everyone is enjoying a speculative discussion about a fairly popular topic.

 

Maybe your 'evidence' is false?

 

I am not easily impressed. I asked the other person just now, how she would answer your question. She said she "just knew". For me it is a matter of symbolic representations that had unmistakable meaning to me. Bodily sensations, thought associations, and the witness that was with me. I don't take exception to your statements just for the sake of being disruptive. I am just suggesting that there are many data bases in this world that are inaccessible to some, and undiscovered by many.

 

The false conclusion being that it is the onlyconclusion that could be arrived at. I truly prefer that it were otherwise because then I wouldn't have had to relay this story that makes me appear to be half crazed.