Impossible to imagine.

When we arrange our discourses, if we do not carefully post our signs, we soon find ourselves off course. Generalizations are fine to make if they can be truthfully applied in all instances. Keeping to this discipline we find that many things that appear to confound do not even arise, and the signs of life describe a simple and unproblematic route.

 

Lol, pick a path and stick to it, are we discussing cognitive behavior or consciousness in general? If so, consciousness is no more than awareness. Unconscious only means a few things - unaware, asleep, in a coma, knocked out, so consciousness by implication can be the opposite of those words.

Perhaps nobody here except you is defining it as awake/asleep/etc. would be more correct. You seem to be misinterpreting the definition of consciousness, words don't mean what you want them too bro, lol.

 

Umm... what? The primary definition of consciousness, which you posted yourself, listed cognitive behavior ("thinking, reasoning or remembering") as a part of being conscious. That's what I've been saying the entire time.

 

Yes, and being aware and alert is an important chunk of the definition too, so to exclude that from the definition of consciousness for the sake of making a point can't be further from true.

 

I never excluded that.

 

Hmm

 

Or, really?

 

Don't know anymore, lol.

 

Be more correct to say, only he is insisting on a limited definition. From the space of limited definition however, we cannot make definitive statements about the world at large.

 

That didn't have anything to do with awareness being a requisite for consciousness....

Also, I didn't mean to make you cry dope. It's time to let it go though.

 

It may not be a requisite but they are hand and hand seeing as the words are practically synonymous. But yeah, I'm not gonna keep posting back and forth, you obviously have different regards to the definition so it's a rather pointless discussion now. Nice chat.

 

Asleep and unaware are not synonymous at all. Part of being asleep is being unaware, but that's like saying eggs and cake are synonymous since eggs are a part of cake.

 

Thank you, I'm sure it will help on my road to recovery.

 

You said:

I said awareness and consciousness are practically synonymous, not asleep and unaware (which are two alternate meanings of unconscious). Don't put words in my mouth.

And as far as alternate meanings go, asleep and unaware are the same if you also regard asleep in a metaphorical sense which in Eastern interpretation usually means unenlightened. Though like I said, you and I have alternate meanings. I personally don't know where you get yours from, as it's not relevant to psychology, spirituality, health, or any dictionary definition I've ever heard, so it's a rather useless chat now. Agree to disagree.

 

I misread your post then, sorry. Awareness and consciousness are not at all synonymous. The definition you posted yourself indicates that.

And I get all my definitions from Webster's dictionary. I don't change things up in the middle of a debate and start talking about eastern philosophy/religion to redefine things.

 

It's not that I'm redefining, I've made it clear that I interpret the definition of consciousness in all the manners possible. I believe they all correspond to some degree, though obviously, depending on how you define, are not exactly the same. Asleep can mean literally, that you are sleeping. Asleep can also mean you are unconscious, metaphorically. Unaware can simply mean that you do not know, etc. Unconscious can mean you are asleep, unaware, coma, passed out, dead, or asleep in the metaphorical sense.

Unconscious = Unaware
Or
Unconscious = Unaware = Asleep [When w/ Eastern interpretation]

I've even provided an example as to why consciousness and awareness are synonymous through a statement. "I Am conscious that Spaghetti exists." "I am aware that Spaghetti exists." It expresses the same thing. Even definitions have simply said - Consciousness - awareness: having knowledge of;.

Conscious = Aware
Or
Conscious = Aware = Awake [When w/ Eastern interpretation]

I also started off by making the statement that consciousness does not require thought, though thought requires consciousness. Our discussion has pretty much been going back and forth through those two topics the entire time.

 

Kay.

 

When we are making statements reputed to be fact, we need consider all of the possible conjugations of our statement.