Bible Questions?

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  1. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    honestly yes....
     
  2. TipsyGypsy

    TipsyGypsy Light of a Fading Star

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    I think that so often!!
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    It might seem that way but no.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Sorry to hear that but it is possible that you may get your wish. :(
     
  5. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    Ah, the merciful cup of the true believers doth runneth over.

    Even if whichever Christian denomination you are part of is the correct one(and I'm not saying it is or isn't), there is nothing to suggest that souls simply blip into the void for any reason, even if they are a non-believer and/or great sinner.
     
  6. thedope

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    And what is the right denomination?
     
  7. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    oh i know death is guarantee.....heaven is not.
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    (Ezekiel 18:4) . . .The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    The one that most closely follows what the Bible says. ;)
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I was just pointing out that non-existence is a possibility if that is what you really want. :(
     
  11. TipsyGypsy

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    I have a question. Why did Mary and Joseph travel to Bethlehem? The accounts of Matthew and Luke contrast widely - no consensus in Matthew and no baby killing by Herod in Luke. I argued before that they wouldn't remember, so what happened here?

    Also, take Luke’s story of the consensus, how would the men of the empire know who their distant ancestors were? Mary and Joseph go to Bethlehem because Joseph is apparently a descendant of David, who was born there one thousand years earlier. But how would he know that David was his ancestor, how would Luke know, and how would the rest of the empire know where to go?

    If such a consensus were to happen today, would any of us know where to go? And why is there no record of this mass migration (for that matter, why is there no record of Herod’s mass infanticide in Matthew)?

    Also, Luke tells us that this happened in the days of Herod, around 4 B.C. But he also tells us that that it takes place during the reign of the Syrian governor Quirinius. But according to Josephus and Tacitus, Quirinius was not governor until ten years after Herod - in 6 A.D.
     
  12. TipsyGypsy

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    So Judaism? :)
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Judaism can no longer be followed according to the Bible even if one was to leave out the Christian Greek Scriptures. Judaism was based around the Temple and the priesthood since there is no Temple or priesthood Judaism can not be followed anymore.

    Do you know of any part of Judaism that is still stoning people to death?
     
  14. TipsyGypsy

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    The Bible would say that wouldn't it. Just like the Bible will say that Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be followed.
     
  15. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    Why is faith in your belief more right than belief in another faith?
    Now here's the challenge - answer this without quoting the bible or saying in any way 'because god said so'. Since you appear rational, you can see that obviously the guy of the other belief can/will just say the same thing - and so we can't simply assume either one of you is right based on your interpretations of a book.
    (by the way, you answered my earlier question with a verse taken out of context ;) )
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    In what way was it taken out of context? I could quote the whole 18th chapter of Ezekiel or even the book of Ezekiel but the verse still means the the same thing; the soul that is sinning will die. :D
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    You assume that "the guy of the other belief can/will just say the same thing" and it would be true.

    Like I could say I have blue eyes which is true and the other guy could say I have blue eyes too but if he has brown eyes his statement would not be true.

    Similarly I can tell you many true things that prove that the Bible is true and the word of God and you could say that the same things could be said about other books, faiths and religions but that would just not be true.
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm unsure what you are trying to say here but the Bible does not say that Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be followed, just that they should not be followed.

    As for Judaism, the Bible contains the Mosaic law which explains in great detail how the Jews were to worship God and the plain and simple fact is that today's Jews can no longer follow that Mosaic law.
     
  19. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    You tapdanced around that pretty nicely, but by all means go ahead and explain to me why you would be more 'right' than the other guy. Explain those other things that prove your beliefs are more 'right'. Just so long as those things are not bible verses or "because I know I am". I'm genuinely interested.


    And the 'soul will die' line isn't what I'm questioning - I'm saying you seem to be seeing it in an odd light. The death of the soul being written to there is not the blipping out of existence I spoke of, it's a metaphysical 'falling' and going beyond all hope or prayer. But still existing, all the same - even if in a rather unpleasant way.


    And if you can't do this without just aiming at bible verses and taking them all literally, we can play the game of pointing out all the verses that condone slavery, incest, murder, treating women terribly, etc.
     
  20. sw0o0sh

    sw0o0sh Banned

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    What of a man born on a remote island amongst a tribe that has no interaction with the other world and never has? Are they inferior in blessing, fullness of life, potential, and knowledge because they lack a bible? Did God condemn these people or did you?

    To assert a particular religion or approach is the "only Way to Truth" is to miss the point entirely, it is not in the words themselves but that towards which they point.
     
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