The mad hatters Tea Party

The US political system is calling out for change, what is needed is a movement to bring about that much needed change – and what happens, along comes a movement whose ideas would make a bad system a lot worse.

Churchill said “"Americans will always do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the alternatives."

Well it seems to me that they don’t have the luxury of that amount of time.


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It's ok Balbus, "America is too big to fail" rofl

I sort of see it like this, fuck voting, it accomplishes nothing other than to change the face of the asshole thats lying to us at the moment.

What really needs to happen is that we need to give washington all the rope it needs to hang itself once and for all, let our polichickens free range as much as possible, just keep printing up more dollars like we think thats really making more money somehow till China comes over and freaking forecloses on all the defaulted mortgages they own here, probably have one on the white house and we just dont know.

Governments as a rule suck, it's only fitting that the biggest nanny state, sucks the most (At their jobs that is)

Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love the Constitution and would love to see it in use someday and Mom & Pop businesses are awesome but these Fed schmucks and their corporate cronies need to go back to whatever rock they crawled out from with the Crab people.

 

http://lookatthisfuckingteabagger.com/ - photo collection blog, and true thing of beauty.

 

Not too sure about most of them, but I could really see hangin' out with these Guy's

 

The problem is most people protesting the fed actually have no knowledge of economics what so ever and do it on party dogma, they have no idea what the fed really does, how it operates and whether they should be opposing it.

 

Mad

The problem is that they think they know.

Talk to them and its clear they don’t know, but even then, they still persist in thinking they know.

It seems to be a mindset that is common among many on the right especially right leaning libertarians.

It seems to be a faith in ideology over rational thought or empirical evidence.

 

Actually it's mindset that's common to all sides balbus, everyone thinks they're right. What began as a protest online against the fed with people who actually had some economic insight had social conservatives who were against anything Obama spent money on jump on the bandwagon.

 

My point is about defence.

Can the person defend their position?

If someone believes they’re right that ok but if when questioned they can’t defend their ideas or evade answering is their belief actually right?

What I’m saying is that many people with right wing views seem unable or are unwilling to defend their ideas.

It seems to me they can’t so they don’t.

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Great. Could you point me to these protestors or tell me what their position is?

 

i think you guys are seriously underestimating the intelligence and critical thinking skills of people associated with the tea party movement. how many of these people have you actually met with, spoken to, or even conversed online with, or are you just looking at funny protest pictures of a NICHE group in the movement? i belong to several active groups both online and in-person, and many of us are very educated on the matters. in fact i don't know really anyone who isn't. and i can't speak for everyone but we don't see it as left-right or any of that spectrum bullshit. the two party system is trying to distract and discredit the movement and it's apparently working on you folks.

 

Dazed

So what in your opinion are you and the tea party trying to achieve?

What does it stand for?


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i feel baited.

it stands for a revolution.

 

Why baited?

And revolution mean change so what do you want to change – what do you want?

 

The problem seems to be that the tea party people are only interested in getting their own way rather than discussing if they way is any good.





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Sort of like what Obama and the Democrats are only interested in.

 

Individual

Not everything in the world is about Obama and I’m not talking about Obama in fact I was wary of him and I’m becoming increasingly disappointed with his policies and approach.

I’m asking straight out about what the Tea Party Movement wants, if it is only to get rid of Obama then it would seem to me that it isn’t a movement or revolution at all just blind and dumb prejudice.

Have it truly got any meaning other than that?

 

What tea party people want ?

They want less goverment spending and less deficit.

They want to protect their income from excess taxation.

to see that the goverment can manage its existing obligations properly before undertaking even more obligations.

 

Why didn't they speak up about deficits & spending from 2001-2009? Or during the 1980s? Reagan, Bush1, and Bush2 added more to the deficit than any president did during his time in US history. And they want to speak up now?

And also, people complain about taxes. Granted, our government is wasting a good chunk of our tax dollars on pointless things like bank bailouts and the wars on drugs and terror, but we have to have taxes. We are supposed to be spending this money on infrastructure and projects like education, social security, and medicare. And people think the US has high taxes? Go to almost any other country and try to live there. It will blow your mind.

And don't hold your breath for ANY career politician to handle our current programs responsibly. Our two-party system is a broken one. We allow too much power to both sides, so all we get is complaining and yelling, no matter who's in charge. We would be complaining just as loud as the Republicans are now if McCain had been elected. Before we try to fix anything in Washington, we need to get politicians who aren't owned by big business in power. And it's hard to get any third-party candidate elected, because our system is set up to make it easy for the two parties to discredit and denounce any viable candidate.

 

No, it's hard to get a third party member elected because no one wants to waste their votes on them, and other people don't even know their an option. So instead they want to waste their votes on "making history" or the one they want to drink with.
We must use this wonderful power of the Internet and social circles to support the good third party politicians. We must use our free time and our efforts to give them a chance. We must give them support like we did for Ron Paul, but we must do it harder, faster, and stronger (we did it for Tila Tequila and Ok Go, so stop rolling your eyes). But most importantly, we must vote for them.
Obama is the first person I voted for. I am already sick of wasting my vote, and I'm not going to do it again.


As far as the Tea Party Movement, I see it as a legitimate movement based on age old problems and stresses of the American people spilling over the floodgates. Sure, I see some of the feeble minded and the hate-filled members and I see the help it's garnered from things like Fox News and Obamacare-fears, but I also see the hope in it.
Many of the things that are wanted by the Tea Party Movement everyone would've agreed with 2 years ago. Don't fall for the polarization of American thought.

 

The media in this country EXCLUDES almost all third-party candidates from advertisements and debates. And the media is the entity that pounds it into the American publics heads that voting for third-party is useless. The laws in states are set up to make it hard for a third-party candidate to get on the ballot. And even if a candidate won by write-in, the FEC, which was set up and is run by members of the two parties, would invalidate the ballots due to the third-party candidate not going through all the blocks and hoops that they put in the way. And IF a third party candidate did win, it would be challenged in the courts by the two parties, until some reason was found to kick out the results.

And I don't see the Tea party as a viable third party, due to chunks of them being run by former Republican leaders. People like Dick Armey and Tom Delay. Not to mention that the Republicans want to use these people to get THEM into office, not some third party candidate. And if they did nominate candidates, it would siphon off votes from the Republicans, keeping the Democrats in power.

To change this, we need to do it from the inside. We need people from the two parties that aren't bought & sold by the corporations to get into power, re-write the rules, and make it easier to get third-party candidates on the ballots.

 

No, I never said I see them as a third party, I just meant that I see the movement as reflecting a true wish of the people, and having true potential to do something.

I agree with you about some of this:

I didn't give the media enough credit for the problem, and the laws in states can really cause a problem; as far as if the FEC would cause further problems if someone did make it, we don't really know that for sure, do we?

But someone from the inside is just as unlikely of a shot as a third party candidate actually winning if you ask me. Either way, the only hope we have is to make our voices heard.

I used to tag money to speak out against the two party system, but it really didn't give me enough space and I lost interest quickly anyways =P
Really, most of us bitch so much more than we ever try.