I fear the end is near..

C'mon let's not over-react... how many people has ANY Mephedrone confirmed to have killed? From what I've read on other forums and elsewhere, it's possibly fewer than five, and it's doing combos which seem to be when it's a real danger. It was actually reported that girl had obtained the Mephedrone from a local source, the screenshot was just an easy to find example which the journalist could put up to scare everyone of yet another of the dangers found on the internet. I had a email chat with that vendor recently (I am assuming we're all talking about the same one) and he said he intentionally does not try to compete for the lowest price because kids will and do go elsewhere to find cheaper deals and for the same reason he keeps the site closed most of the time to new customers. You basically have to REALLY want to to business with them, and if you persist, you will succeed. I'm not trying to defend the guy, this kind of business is REALLY shady, but there are really only a handful of reliable and non-scam vendors out there. And you have to give him credit for trying to be at least a little more responsible than the rest, I especially give them kudos for testing all their products at an independent lab and publicly posting the reports. Anyway, it's easy to condemn any vendor for a lot of things, but when this vendor eventually decides to retire, I will miss them. I tend to agree though that it's probably gonna be some dumbshit who offs himself with one of their products which will bring the curtain down.

 

Obviously I don't have any personal experience, but personally I don't see the harm in someone disseminating these chemicals with certain conditions.

If they're doing their best to educate the people they give/sell the chems to.

If they're not giving/selling to people who are complete idiots and will abuse them.

If they're not doing it to make a ton of money, but instead are doing it to spread the special gift of psychedelics to people to improve their lives and give them a different outlook on themselves, life, etc.

If it's just kids out to make a quick buck, then yeah, fuck that shit. But what's wrong with getting these things out to a wider range of people if you're doing it in an ethical and positive manner?

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here when I say this, so don't take offense, but I get really tired of hearing people talk about "Goddamn them kids! They're going to fuck everything up for us! These things should be ours and ours alone! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

All of these chemicals are "technically" on the books under the Analogue Law. They've been that way for YEARS. I seriously doubt that's going to change anytime soon. Plus, if you've done any research on the topic, listened to Shulgin speak, etc. you'd know that we're only scratching the tip of the iceberg in regards to how many active psychedelics are out there. In one discussion video I watched, Papa Shulgin talked about how back in the 60s there were maybe 20 psychedelics they knew of. In the present day there are 200. And he theorized that in another 20-30 years we'd have 2000+.

There's absolutely NO way the authorities are going to be able to crack down on that many substances. There will always be stuff out there available. Plus, how many people actually use this stuff? The OP said a kid in his hometown was selling it out. Well, unless the OP lives in Bumfuck, USA I really wouldn't worry about it. Even if that's the case, you're still talking about ONE guy. There's THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of people dealing much harder, much more illegal drugs that the government has to worry about.

TL;DR? Chill out. Spreading the wealth is a good thing if people are doing it in the right way. Psychedelics aren't going to all get disappeared tomorrow because some random person you know has them.

 

We are calling 2C-I / 2C-E / 2C-C Nexus too .

It's jut so sexy name hehe

 

you make a point there, but what if they spread the laws to anything similar to effect in the ones that are scheduled? its not that hard to be responsible, and it could at least prolong it for a bit more time.

 

where were you offered this 2c-p? the state i mean, not any specific location, just curious cause 2cp isnt the most common thing.

 

I was offered 2c-i in eastern kansas (not KC) from a local not to long ago. I have been feeling this way for a while. But there will always be a mad scientist that will make a new drug. They will just keep making everything illegal until they make a drug that turns people into zombies. Then we will all be high FOREVER!

 

2C-I does go around. It's the only RC I've ever seen, other than the ones I bring in myself. I'm from the north to the south end, all the way up and down eastern Kansas, and seen it all the way along. Nobody really knows where it comes from, yet they all know somewhere they can get a few hits, but I'd imagine 99% of it is from RC Walmart.

 

Yeah, I bet it is too. Maybe that place needs to go down. As awesome as it is for us to have such convenience, it might be better without...

2c-i is the funnest

 

2c-i is the next 2c-b.

except a LOT of people like it a lot more!

 

And it's not explicitly scheduled. But there's usually ways to get anything. As old as the story is [Well... not an old story; just over-referenced] I bought acid on eBay and tripped my nuts off, even though it wasn't acid.

Can't comment on 2C-I as compared to 2C-B, but as far as I've heard, 2C-B is nothing that special, it's just the one that took off.

 

2cb is amazing! If you like MDMA and LSD I don't see why you wouldn't like it. I'm starting to get skeptical about alot of people claiming to have taken 2cb. I haven't tried 2ci but I liked 2cb alot more than 2ce. In terms of its length, lack of side effects and lack of comedown 2cb is almost to good to be true. I know its not quite as intense as some psychs but damn given the choice, 8 times out of 10 I would take it over mushrooms even. I feel like I'm walking on air on the stuff' and music is orgasmic

 

I've been unable to locate ANY even half legit feeling RC supplier, except for JWH or other cannabiniod stuff I don't want.

So... Yeah, it makes me really fucking mad when people take the "why do you care" stance on legalization of any drug. Selfish apathetic douches.

 

i used to work at a mall and this one drug dealer kid always used to hang around my store because it was a head shop, and he would hunt kids down and sell pretty much everything. he came up to me and told me he could get 2c-e and 2c-i ... this was over a year ago too.

also i know another kid who gets 2c-e but he just did acid for the first time and smoked weed for the first time not too long ago.

 

You can metaphorically chuck a rock in any direction on the internet and hit about 50 legit suppliers of these chemicals.

If you can't find them, you aren't trying hard enough.

Plus, the idea that what you or another person does has any real bearing on whether a chemical is illegal or not is the height of hubris.

You realize that it took the DEA YEARS of millions of people dropping E and certain folks making SICK amounts of money off of it before they made up all their lies and made it illegal, right? I'd say, right now, that there probably aren't even 50,000 people on the planet that have done 2C-P. ON THE FUCKING PLANET.

It's SO far below the radar it's unimaginable. And again, why the hell would you freak out about it being discovered anyway? The American government has already made these chemicals technically illegal. If you get busted with a shit ton of a 2c chemical you will get in trouble. Plain and simple. Just because the DEA hasn't come out with some posters that say "This is your brain. This is your brain on Papa Shulgin's wonder drugs! HAR HAR HAR!!" doesn't mean that you're in the clear and that the DEA is just looking for a few stupid kids to fuck up using these chems so they can crack down on it and nab you.

These companies like the RC Wal-Mart ARE NOT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The Feds can't do shit to them. Only their home countries can change the laws and then shut them down. Which more than likely will never happen. Why? Because other countries aren't the proto-police state that the USA is, and because these chemicals aren't dangerous enough for any rational thinking government to waste their time on. I can count on my fingers the number of people who have died from taking RCs. It just isn't worth the time or effort for the authorities to shut these places down. And again, if they did, so what? More will crop up somewhere with newer and better psychedelics anyway.

So, in conclusion, YOU'RE a self-righteous whiny douche so stop trying to get all up in my face about being a selfish, apathetic douche. Douche.

 

Ok, maybe it would work if I went to google and typed "buy research chemicals online cheap", but I'm set until I get a supplier from someone I ALMOST trust... again, given how it's ILLEGAL, like you said.

 

Even if they aren't in this country, the more publicity they have, the worse. From the way you're approaching it, if said company is not in the US, we should just advertise it all over since there's no chance that governments would care just because they're not in the US?

Also, I'm sure it's pretty easy for the post to just start flagging and searching letters that come across the border from known RC companies.

I'm sure that enough money would convince the leaders of whichever company the country is in to do something about it.

 

i have a feeling if i had more experience with 2cb, i might like it more. the ONE thing i really DON'T like about 2ce is the bodyload - nausea and headache that come afterward. so i'd really appreciate if 2cb had no negatives, but a slightly less intense trip. it DID give me a slight headache though.

 

I think I prefer 2c-b over 2c-e.. For me both are "candy psychedelics" (excluding few moments on 2c-e) but 2c-b is more positive and without bodyload.....

 

Well of course everyone reacts differently, but I don't recall any headaches, I'm usually pretty sensitive to most psychedelics too. I remember some slight teeth grinding but nowhere near the level of MDMA. I also felt I guess you would say overly stimulated on it, like i couldn't sit still for more than 20 mins at a time which some people might view as negative, but I was definitely not keeling over in my lap like on 2ce. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say 2cb is the best psychedelic ever or anything , I just have seen a fair amount of reports lately basically saying it's useless. I'm saying I found it extremely worthwhile and has it's time and place among the ranks of drugs like MDMA, mushrooms, and LSD. I didn't even have sex on it, and it's notorious for having amazing aphrodisiac qualities.

 

Talking about sex one 2c-b.... .. it's fantastic.. Sex on 2c-e is also fantastic but difference is, to put it simple they both can be great sex enchanters but only 2c-b really is true aphrodisiac...