So ive tried this stuff twice now, and im not impressed at all. first time i tried this i ate 18-20mg and felt a tiny bit of "something" in my legs after like and hour and a half, and this lasted like 20-30 minutes. nothing else happened. Second time i ate 35-37mg and this was a tiny bit better. The first effects noted was a tiny bit of uneasyness crossed with lethargy while waiting for this to kick in some more, this was about an hour after eating it. almost 2 hours after eating this some things seemed to wave, some posters seemed to be stuck in a very slight morphed way. At one point complete walls slightly waved, but this lasted about 3-7 minutes. Then i smoked alot in hope that some dank would bring it up but nothing, so i fell asleep at like 3.5-4 hours after eating it. Kinda dissapointed. Im thinking of giving it one more try at 50mg, if its nothing impressing at that point then it may just sit for a long time. I also have several other things to try, like higher doses of miprocin, which is much funner. Anyone else try this stuff yet?
I have not tried the iprocin as of yet, but I have tried miprocin and it seems that people have been getting mediocre results with both. I ordered as soon as it came in stock and I got very nice results with the miprocin. I was wondering if the vendor maybe stored these chems improperly.. due to their hygroscopic nature it's possible that they may have degraded.. Sorry to side-track, just adding that since you say you barley felt anything as well. Now carry on the iprocin discussion
yeah, the miprocin isnt too strong either. i have to eat an "off the chart" dose to feel nice if i want to go on erowids dose thing, but their always low or something. The iprocin though was super weak. a friend of mine ate 50mg and he tripped out too hard, but at 35 i had almost nothing, so 50 sounds good for the next trial. I also thought that maybe these degraded really easily and whatnot, but the miprocin seems just as good as when i got it along with the iprocin, so they just arrived like that. Maybe it just doesnt affect me like it does other people, cause some other friends get great results from it.
the 1 time ive taked it so far was at 23 mg. and it definately wasn't an overwhelming psychadellic experience at all. I was at a +2 maybe flirtin with 3 but like i said, nothin spectacular. Its starting to make me wonder if the supplier is storing them wrong w/ all these complaints. when i dosed mine it was the week after he received the new products but i'm sure you were only a couple weeks behind at most..strange. are you giving it the good ol 2 week minumum to avoid cross tolerance? another factor not listed on the dosage charts is weight. that's probably the most important factor but i guess they assume everyone is "normal".
i don't think weight affects psychedelics THAT much. it would have more to do with expression of serotonin receptors in the brain and tolerance. so what CS is saying, is that he ordered as soon as the vendor had them in stock, so they didn't sit around AS LONG. are both the iprocin and miprocin HCl? does anyone know? does anyone think this would be an issue with the 4acodmt fumarate?
The miprocin is fumarate and the iprocin is HCl afaik. The 4acodmt fumarate seems to be fairly stable.. it's just these 4-ho-xipt that have been noted to be very hygroscopic and that they need to be stored properly. Perhaps he allowed too much moisture to get at them?
these are just little speculations, I could just be bad product. or very variable in dose in different people. the 4-aco-dmt seems to store fine
maybe these are just weak chems. i dont think the weight thing matters too much either, im pretty skinny and it can take alot to make me trip hard. the 4aco does store really well, and the miprocin has not changed in potency, its just as chill as it was before. either way, i proly wont be looking much into these 2 anymore, ill wait till something new and interesting pops up.
maybe weight isn't as much of a factor as I thought. It's just my fat friends usually take more of any drug than me to get the same effects. i guess that has more to do with an individuals metabolism more than their weight? anyway i would have to say iprocin is not anything noteworthy like shulgin mentioned imo. furhter trials may prove my initial thoughts wrong but first impressions set the standards for me. the only use i can really see for iprocin is when a short trip is needed but not DMT short. the 4co i got about 6 months ago is just as potent as when received. 4acodmt is by far my favorice rc
i also dont think iprocin is too interesting, it pretty much made me not trip. 4acodmt is also one of my fave rcs, the miprocin is ookk, but nothing has really compared to lsd and dmt yet. those 2 are just wonderful.
Well of course, you're not going to have anything remotely close to lsd or dmt with a psilocin analogue..
aren't a lot of people reminded of DMT on a 4acodmt trip? i've read at BL that some people think 4aco is more similar to N,N DMT than it is to mushrooms
no not yet im currently trying to figure out my correct dosage for t7. 20 mg and 30 mg on 2 different occaisions didn't produce much besides a body high and some slight color enhancement. I think my next t7 dose will be 50 mg. hopefully the miprocin wont be such a disappointment at 30 mg, it sounds like a nice starting/the right dose from the reports here.
so nobody else has found iprocin interesting in their trials? I had a combination yesterday of 25 mg iprocin and 15 mg ipracetin that definately warrants more research into each of these compounds. My buddy took the same dose and puked right after he started to peak but came down completely the next hour. Great OEV's for about 2.5 hours then they settled down the last hour of the experience. It was quite a different comedown because i could feel the iprocin drop off real quick why the ipracetin was still glowing for that last hour. Im sure its probably the combo that made this experience so unique but it definately makes me want try them more. .
i still havent, and have been getting more dissapointed with miprocin also. 4acodmt is the one that im pretty sensitive to. that stuff will sit me down
anyone try any high dose (35 mg+) iprocin since? Im considering it or 4aco(perhaps a combo?) for tomorrow or the next day.
I only have 1 4-aco-dmt experience but I do not understand the comparison to n,n dmt. Perhaps something in the structure of the visuals may be more similar but I would never say to someone looking into 4 aco that what you experience is closer to dmt than mushrooms. Maybe really high doses of 4-aco-dmt may be more similar but 4 aco was all mushrooms to me. As far as 4 ho mipt goes I don't think it has so much to do with storage as it being a fickle chem. I don't have personal experience but from what I have read, whats been reported in this thread is whats been found to be true on a larger scale, its very psychedelic for some but barely perceptible to others. I know some of us like to try different compounds out of novelty but if you are looking for strong reputable psychedelics do the research.