The Bible Led Me to Islam

True Christians must worship in spirit and truth.

 

(Acts 2:32-33) This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear.

 

Actually, it doesn't matter to me how close or far away from Islam I am, all that matters to me is how close or far away from what the Bible says.

I can't abandon the "begotten" story because that is what God's word the Bible says.

That's what the Bible says.

9 months.

What did you have in mind?

 

Here's a question specifically for OldWaterBrother:
What do you think about the 'other' books of the Bible? There are books supposedly written by everyone from Mary(both of them) to Judas floating around, and 'extra' books written by some of the already-included authors too. Many of these seem just as historically likely to be genuine as the 'accepted' books, and all have some interesting bits. For that matter, the 'Aquarian Gospel' of Jesus deserves mention too.

I'm not saying I believe they're real or fake; just curious what you may think.

 

If they were by any mean having some to help the understanding of Gods teachings I think God would of made it possible to have them in their...

 

Well, the only one that know for sure is God but for that reason I believe the standard version of the Bible to be the correct one. I tend to believe that since the Bible is the Word of God, then he would have a hand in making sure that it contains what he wants it to, no more no less.

Also some of these other books don't always agree with the rest of the Bible and that should be taken into consideration as well.

At least that's what I think.

 

the Bible says that too ?

which Bible do you subscribe to owb ?

 

If you are asking if the Bible says something like Mary was pregnant for nine months and then gave birth to Jesus, then no the Bible does not say that but if you take the time to do the math on what the Bible does say about how long Mary was pregnant then it comes out to about nine months.

I don't have a subscription to the Bible. Why? do you subscribe to the Quran?

 

Could you translate. does this mean to you that the Holy Spirit is the comforter?
What does it mean "this Jesus", is there more than one Jesus?

 

Translate?

Yes, it does. Jewish historian Josephus of the first century C.E. mentions some 12 persons, other than those in the Bible record, bearing that name. It also appears in the Apocryphal writings of the last centuries of the B.C.E. period. It therefore appears that it was not an uncommon name during that period. Even today, Jesus is a common name among Hispanics. So the meaning of "this Jesus" simply means the one he is talking about.

(Colossians 4:11) and Jesus who is called Justus, these being of those circumcised. Only these are my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and these very ones have become a strengthening aid to me.

 

Hm,Here is an intresting description about islam:
http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/page91.htm
It says there that religions like islam take away your own identity.
They transform your personal identity into an generic religious identity.
You become part of the religion,and that way you cease to exist as an indivudal.
Quite intresting.
Also other articles in that website are worth reading.

 

Yes, and?

So what?

Talk about misquoting and taking out of context.

This is what Jehovah’s witnesses actually said about 50,000 Errors in the Bible:
Popular magazines loosen the grip of many on the Word of life. Look, February 26, 1952, tried to appear sensational by apparently suddenly discovering the Bible was filled with errors. It called attention to about half a dozen spurious passages, such as Mark 16:9-20, John 8:1-11 and 1 John 5:7. After citing these few big errors Look glibly states that Bible scholars agree that there are from 20,000 to 50,000 errors in the Bible. Does not this leave the impression that these thousands of errors are serious ones, like those mentioned, and hence that the Bible is wholly unreliable? Actually, serious errors are remarkably few, and years ago they were ferreted out and eliminated in modern translations. Scholars recognize how remarkably accurate has been the preservation of the Scriptures. In a mercenary endeavor to be sensational Look misrepresented the Bible, subtly discrediting it. The secular press in general leaps to the opportunity to shake confidence in the Bible.

And:
After giving such examples the statement is made that Bible scholars are agreed that there are from 20,000 to 50,000 errors in the Bible. What will the average reader conclude but that there are 50,000 such spurious passages as John 8:1-11 or Mark 16:9-20. But is such a fact? Impossible! Not only would it be literally impossible for the Bible to have 50,000 such spurious passages in it but it would be impossible for the Bible to have 50,000 spurious texts such as 1 John 5:7, which speaks about three gods’ being one. Why? Because altogether there are only 31,173 verses in the King James Version. The Bible, however, does have 3,566,480 single letters.

First, these Scriptures are not in any particular order and thus it is difficult to see even why someone would call them conflicting verses and even then, they are not conflicting verses and can be easily reasoned away

Okay.

They didn’t get it incorrect, another example of not knowing what the Bible is saying. Matthew’s is the linage of Jesus’ adoptive father Joseph and Luke’s is the linage of Mary his mother and of course they are different, they weren’t brother an sister but both were descendants of David and thus both of their linage would be the same to David and then split.

First, the writer of Kings is not unknown but is the prophet Jeremiah and second why is this considered a big deal?

Yes in the KJ translation the word Passover is mistranslated as Easter but that mistranslation has been corrected in all the newer translations.

There are many who would say that the Bible is not the word of God and “Curt Kuhl” is just one more and that gives no reason to distrust the Bible in the face of all the evidence that the Bible provides to the contrary.

Just because there may not have been a Bible in Arabic at the time, that does not rule out the possibility that someone with a knowledge of Arabic and the languages of the Bible couldn’t have paraphrased the stories of the Bible at the time.

 

Yes, would you say that the comforter is the Holy Spirit.

 

the bible led me to satan from whom i shall never part

 

This appears to me to be commentary about what Jehovah's witnesses said or did. Doesn't appear to be statement by Jehovah's witnesses. When you say, "this is what Jehovah's witnesses actually said", according to who.

How do you decide what is correct?

Thought you said bible was written by God, now someone paraphrased the bible for Arabic consumption.
Would you mind sharing some of the sources you use to craft your commentary. Any claim that it is all from the bible is false. You have said that English is the language you speak and yet you offer translations of Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, talk about who wrote books of the bible, talk about Jewish customs etc.. None of these historically corroborative commentaries come from the Bible. Would you mind documenting the ancillary works to which you are referring.

 

And why would gathering information, preclude it from being inspired? Does that mean that God can only inspire eyewitnesses? Or can God inspire someone to gather information and then write down the way God wants it said?

Perhaps the reason for this is that it tells who wrote it.

“Without any stretch of the imagination”, one can realize that some authors have spoken of themselves in the third person without it meaning that they didn’t write it.

I agree that the Council of Nicea did bring a lot of apostasy into the “church” at that time but the Bible was not part of it. The Bible canon was closed and set by the second century and that was long before the Council of Nicea 325 CE.

If these accounts were of such importance to our understanding of God, then why didn’t God save them?

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad) to be late and pseudepigraphical; however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work edited to conform to Islam , perhaps Gnostic or Ebionite or Diatessaronic. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.

Expunged? Perhaps it is the Catholics that have mistakenly added these to the Bible.

Too bad, because they are. What the Bible quoted Jesus as saying is what Jesus said. As for what Paul said, it was written under inspiration and as such is part of God’s word.

Matthew was a tax collector, a minor official who did not travel around with Jesus? Interestingly Matthew 10:2-4 points out that Matthew was one of Jesus’ disciple and thus did travel with Jesus.

I’m not sure where you came up with the idea that John was beheaded by Agrippa I in 44 CE but it seems John was still alive and living on the Isle of Patmos in 70 CE. Perhaps you are thinking of James the brother of John who was killed by Agrippa I.

So? It was not Jesus’ purpose to write books but to preach the good news and give his life for many.

How do you know that permission was not given to call "According to" writings the Gospel?

And as you have all ready mentioned Gospel simply means good news so why can’t Mark say he is writing about the “beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ?

It seems a bit “convenient” that when the Quran deviates from God’s word the Bible, that it must be a problem with God’s word and not the Quran.

I’m not sure who your “Allah” is or whether he has a begotten son or not but Jehovah has a begotten Son that is Jesus.

Again, it seems a bit “convenient” to sincerely believe that everything Jesus preached was from God and then say no one knows what he preached.


And as for all this "according to" and "it wasn't written by Jesus" and "not a single one of the gospels carries its original author’s autograph", there is no Quran written by Mohammad and it certainly wasn't "autographed" by him. The primary method of transmission was oral. Muslim tradition agrees that it was fixed in writing shortly after Muhammad's death by order of the caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar, and that their orders began a process of formalization of the orally transmitted text that was completed under their successor Uthman with the standard edition known as the "Uthmanic recension". The present form of the Qur’an is accepted by most scholars as the original version compiled by Uthman. It seems that between Muhammad's telling the story and it's being fixed in written form there was a bit of room for juggling what it says.

 

Yes, that is what I would say.

 

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