Drunk Driving Argumentation Station!

Mst3k?

 

i think drunk driving is irresponsible and just an overall really shitty decision. but that's just my opinion

i guess what gets me about it is it's extremely risky and has the potential to totally fuck up people's lives

 

I do still drive stoned, and always will

 

MST3K is the old show where the guy and two robots watched crappy old sci-fi movies; and you saw them silhouetted down at the bottom of the screen while they ripped on the thing for two hours.

My dad got me addicted early on and I pin that as the reason I more or less see life as a bad movie.

 

I'll have to look it up

 

It can be very irresponsible, but everyone has different definitions of "drunk driving".

For example.....cops in GA consider drunk driving to be .08 blood alcohol content, but not everyone is drunk at .08bac, due to varying tolerance. Many people are completely functional when they are "legally drunk".

 

yeah that's right, .08.
.008 would be less than half a beer ha

 

See, here is where I have the problem with this... you are okay with saying that there is no answer to the fact that 8 out of 10 people are fucked up on something yet want to fight 1 out of 100 (totally random numbers) that drink and drive. Booze and driving is one of the smaller problems.

Then there is the intelligence of it all to start with... Take a persons license away because they were drinking, but let them go home drunk and pick up a rifle... or how about the person who drinks (secretly of course) at work in a food packing plant that distributes food to millions of people?

Stopping people from making bad decisions will NEVER happen. Punishing them afterwards doesn't help those that are hurt before the get caught.

So, what is the intent of it all? What do you hope to accomplish by this? You want everyone installed with a chip of some kind that detects if they are on something? Or should dangerous situations have detectors on them like the breathalizer for cars, but that detects more then just booze?

I will point out that here in ontario anyway, driving while impaired covers EVERYTHING, including being tired, talking on a cell phone, texting and so on. When you get charged with driving under the influence, you also get charged with impaired driving, with one or the other being dropped in (or before) court.

You know what? People still drink and drive, text and drive, and drive while passing out from exhaustion and so on... So we know that this path doesn't work... What solutions are you offering that will change this?

 

I wasn't suggesting I had a magic solution; and this was simply a thread to discuss the morality of the issue.
I like the idea of a blanket 'driving impaired' law as opposed to a hundred little laws covering the various stupid things people do in cars, though.

 

I try to drive on every drug that I can do. Except like salvia and dmt though lol thatd be insane. I could handle it doing like 20 mph i bet though.

 

From my personal experience drinking and driving is not a good thing. The morality aspect of this never entered my mind before doing it thou. Went more like "I have a good idea..." and usually whatever happened after that thought I went and did. There are a lot of laws about drinking and driving and people still do it everyday. I think that the question comes down to, does drinking impair your minds ability to make rational decisions. For me yes.

MST3k great show

 

pttf.. DUI laws are to lenient...

 

I don't think dui laws are useful in prescribing behavior. May I further confuse the situation by saying that it might lend a new perspective to the issue, to consider the merits of driving and drinking, separately.
To become intoxicated to the point of limited awareness, makes you a liability in negotiating any communal terrain regardless of whether you are driving or not.
Driving should be recognized as an, "at your own risk", behavior, always.
I resolved this issue once and for all for myself, and it turns out not to be a moral issue at all, I neither drink nor drive.

 

Where other people have to bear the brunt of your actions, I dont agree with drunk driving but as Brian said, "drunk" driving is totally subjective.

Although in a field...Well Im partial to ragging a fucked twin cam around while under the influence fun times.

 

like has been mentioned here, "drunk" differs between different people.

no, you should not drive when you're actually drunk, but most people can drive perfectly fine when they are legally drunk.

almost every argument against drinking and driving tends to end up with "i know someone who was killed by a drunk driver who was driving 120 mph down the sidewalk." i would argue that driving 120 mph down the sidewalk was the cause of the crash more so than the alcohol. driving like a reasonable person is not particularly dangerous after 5 beers, but speeding and weaving through traffic is. i've always said that the legal BAC limit should be raised substantially, but the punishment for disobeying ANY traffic laws with ANY amount of alcohol in your system should be much more severe.

 

What would some of these punishments look like?

 

that's exactly what it does. it reduces activity in the hippocampus in addition to just about every other part of your brain. alcohol is basically like taking a sledgehammer to the head

 

I can't drive with a single beer in me. My eyes go haywire. I plan ahead.

 

Oh wow.

Deathstalker was mt favorite episode.

 

well, it depends on the offense, and on the BAC. 5 mph over the speed limit with a .02 BAC would be maybe a $500+ fine; 30 mph over the limit with a .1 BAC would be automatic and substantial jail time, etc.

license suspension for almost all such offenses.