Hugo Chavez Asked To Resign

Because Kirchner like Morales in Bolivia is a Chavez ally and all three are the current faces of Latin American socialism. So I figured Kirchner's Argentina had a place here. Anyway,the policies of these leftist/socialist are losing some of it's popularity now. Chavez,Morales and Kirchner all seem to be in similiar predicaments. Their brands of socialism are in trouble. They'd come out better learning from Chile or even Lula of Brazil. Even though Lula has a socialist background he has been open to market reforms.

 

So Kirchner is exactly like Chavez and Argentina is exactly the same as Venezuela?

And Morales is exactly like Chavez and Bolivia is exactly the same as Venezuela?

But of course that’s just not true, is it …so what’s your point?

Well I think you’re trying to use these differing situations to try and discredit left wing ideas and so and try and make your right wing ideas more palatable.

The big problem here is that in thread after thread you’ve not been that good at defending those rightwing views from criticism.

Now it’s fine to use examples to highlight your views but just basically going ‘na na na you’re wrong, I’m right’ isn’t doing that, why not have the strength of your own convictions and put forward you actual ideas.

How in your opinion should a country and economy be run?

 

Actually in the 1990s nearly all Latin American countries had high inflation. Now they have nearly all conquered inflation - down to the single digits. Meanwhile Venezuela has the highest inflation in Latin America - probably mid 30s %, one of the highest in the world.

So Venezuela stands out as having one of the worst track records on inflation anywhere. This is quite impressive as high inflation would normally be associated with an overheating economy. In Chavez's case, it is associated with a contracting economy.

 

Again.... the inflation in Venezuela, as high as it is currently, is lower compared to the 80's and 90's averages under Right wing governments. Yes it has one of the worst track records on inflation anywhere, ever. Just not in the last 12 years for the most part. This whole Chavez+Inflation=proves something thing just doesn't stand up. Time to move on.

 

Yeah the truth is everyone in the usa wishes we had a dictator of hugos stature........not!

 

No its about the same as during the 1980s and lower than during the 1990s. The point is that previous governments didn't enjoy an oil boom, and large devaluations of controlled exchange rates under previous governments led to big jumps in inflation. By maintaining an artificially low exchange rate, Chavez is postponing a big jump in inflation.

It is in the last 12 years because the trend everywhere in Latin America and most of the world has been sharp declines in inflation. Venezuela is the exception - inflation remains very high, even with an artificially propped up exchange rate.

You just don't get it. Everybody in Latin America conquered inflation in the 1990s, Chavez is the only one that turned that trend around and maintained high inflation. He stands out as one of the worst performances in the world.

http://www.indexmundi.com/brazil/inflation_rate_(consumer_prices).html

Check out this website for all the countries in the region. The trend is the same everywhere except Venezuela where Bolivarian socialism has taken things the wrong direction.

 

About time i got back to this thread.

You need your eyes examined. Inflation under Chavez fell from the years in which Right-wing governments instituted Neo-Liberal economic policies at the behest of the US (IMF) The highest instances of Inflation occuring before he came to power at all.

I love this kind of bizarre thinking. It would have you believe that Chavez is some sort of Overmind with a thousand hands upon a thousand levers controlling the country, and not a thought has come from another person in the government whatsoever with regards to Policy of any sort. Disregarding your (False) Opinion that 'his' performance is the worst in the world, let's get something straight. There is a massive Social Movement in Venezuela, it's not just Chavez, there are thousands of people involved at all levels in the development of policy making within the government. Not to mention millions more who support him by voting for him in elections.

Personally i'd like to see him stand aside at the next election and let someone else take a crack as leader of the Socialist Movement. I just don't like to see someone demonized.

Contrary to your belief. Attempting to develop a society free from the ravages of Capitalism is not "The wrong" direction.

 

We need a Chavez for Germany as well VIVA CHAVEZ!

 

Last time you guys had a leader who was granted rule by decree it didn't go so well.

 

Thats about the dumbest comparison Ive read in a while, cop

 

You seem to be implying Chavez has the ability to rule by Decree.

 

You seem to be implying he doesn't despite the legislator passing numerous enabling acts.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=6661353&postcount=49

http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global/story.asp?S=13704487

 

You really need to start doing your homework. Or at least learn how to interpret information without those bogeyman goggles on.

You're referring to the enabling law which has been used before to great effect. The National Assembly passes legislation granting the executive limited power to pass laws by decree.

It has been used in the past (And of course people like your good self parroted the same bullshit then about it being a power grab to no avail) to pass legislation such as..

The Hydrocarbons law - Which returned oversight and administration of the nations Oil reserves to the government, which they now use to directly benefit the people of Venezuela, as opposed to foreign multinationals.

The Law of Food Soverignty - Which contributed in no small part to greatly increasing the nuitritional index of Venezuela.

The fishing law - Which elimanted bottom trawling as a form of fishing

The Reform Law - which has progressively reduced the presence of unjust and unproductive land estates in order to advance and improve national agricultural production and promote smallscale farmers.

You may or may not agree with some of the above on a personal level. But to suggest that the enabling law was used in previous incarnations as a power grab is laughable.

The current incarnation passed by the National Assembly for 18 months is to enable decrees relating to infrastructure, transportation, housing and public services, responding directly to the emergency caused by torrential rains that left more than 130,000 people displaced throughout the nation and affected agricultural production.

He's awful... That Chavez.

Big difference between having the limited and time constrained ability to pass laws by decree with totalitarianism. Not so.


I think it's a far better way to react to a crisis than say... How the US handled Hurricane Katrina.