Are US Pot Laws the Root Cause of Mexican Drug Violence?

Are US Pot Laws the Root Cause of Mexican Drug Violence?
60 percent of the profits reaped by Mexican drug lords are derived from the exportation and sale of cannabis to the American market.

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races."
- Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)



Nixon lied to Outlaw Ganja

"You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell."
- Richard Milhouse Nixon

"Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency, although some evidence indicates that the heavy, long-term users may develop a psychological dependence on the drug"
~ The Shafer Commission of 1970

Popular Science’s conclusions about marijuana…

Though medical men agree that marijuana is not physically addictive (unlike cigarettes and alcohol), many classify it as “psychologically addictive” — a term that Dr. Malleson considers “extremely imprecise, misleading, and unuseful… In practice it means nothing more than the statement, ‘I want.’”

Dead Americanos in Mexico
Consulate Workers and 3 children abushed after Kiddie B-Day Party

IN EL PASO, MEXICAN VIOLENCE IS NEVER FAR

"Not only are we here to protect the public from vicious criminals in the street but also to protect the public from harmful ideas."
~ Robert Ingersoll, then Director of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, in a column by Jack Anderson in the Washington Post, June 24, 1972, p. 31 (Ingersoll became the first director of the DEA in 1974)

Charles Bowden: Lessons of the Dead in Mexico
Charles Bowden on “The War Next Door
excerpts, link has full transcript Tuesday, March 16, 2010
Charles Bowden, reporter who has extensively covered the drug violence in Mexico. He is author of the forthcoming book, Murder City: Ciudad Juárez and the Global Economy’s New Killing Fields. His latest article for High Country News is called The War Next Door.

What happened is what happens every weekend: death. What is different, or was the reason you’re calling me, is because US citizens were killed, who worked for the consulate.

What we’re doing is what the—you know, we have three policies that affect Mexico. One, we have the free trade agreement, which has bankrupted small farmers in the country and destroyed small industry in the country. Two, we have an immigration policy which means a Mexican would have to live 150 years to get a visa to move to the United States, which has unleashed the largest human migration on earth. And three, we have our war on drugs, which over the course of forty years has made drugs in our country of higher quality more available and enriched a bunch of criminals in Mexico and the United States. That’s our policy.

We’re spending $30 to $40 billion a year on narcotics officers in this country. Every state in the union, if you get out of the house and drive, is now studded with little prisons, some private. They’re all dependent on the—on laws outlawing drugs. The income from drugs in Mexico exceeds all other sources of foreign currency, except possibly oil, and that’s debatable. In other words, if President Calderon succeeded in his claimed goal of eradicating the drug industry in Mexico, Mexico would collapse in a minute. continued



Mexico President Seeks Review of Drug Law
By James C. McKinley Jr. and John Broder
Source: New York Times May 03, 2006 Mexico City
After intense pressure from the United States, President Vicente Fox has asked Congress to reconsider a law it passed last week that would decriminalize the possession of small amounts of drugs as part of a larger effort to crack down on street-level dealing. In a statement issued late Wednesday, Mr. Fox said the law should be changed "to make it absolutely clear that in our country the possession of drugs and their consumption are and continue to be crimes."

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."
-- Harry Anslinger,
1937 testimony to Congress in support of the Marijuana Tax Act.

Mexico's Fox To OK Drug Decriminalization Law

The Case For A Domestic Marijuana Industry

Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight
* Mexico Decriminalizes Small Amounts of Drugs
* Mexico legal-drug bill condemned
* U.S. Cautious on Mexico Drug Measure

Mexico Decriminalizes Small Amounts of Drugs

List of maximum allowable drug quantities
approved for personal use by Mexico's Congress

Opium: (raw, to be smoked): 5 grams
Heroin: 25 milligrams
Marijuana: 5 grams
Cocaine: 500 milligrams
LSD: .015 milligrams
MDA: 200 milligrams
MDMA (Ecstasy): 200 milligrams
Mescaline: 1 gram
Peyote: 1 kilogram
Psilocybin (concentrate, pure, active ingredient): 100 milligrams
Hallucinogenic mushrooms (raw, off the farm): 250 milligrams
Amphetamines: 100 milligrams
Dexamphetamines: 40 milligrams
Phencyclidine (PCP, or Angel Dust): 7 milligrams
Methamphetamines: 200 milligrams
Nalbuphine (synthetic opiate): 10 milligrams
SOURCE: Associated Press

Mexican Drug War, A Desperate Measure



Threats From USA Force Mexico to Drop Decrim Plans
MEXICO CITY — Mexican President Vicente Fox refused to sign a drug decriminalization bill Wednesday, hours after U.S. officials warned the plan could encourage “drug tourism.” Fox sent the measure back to Congress for changes, but his office did not mention the U.S. criticism.

Legalizing Drug Use in Mexico Called 'Reckless'
May 03, 2006 San Diego
A move in Mexico to legalize narcotics represents a serious danger to the United States, Mayor Jerry Sanders said today. The move by the Mexican Congress to allow possession of drugs that are illegal in the United States is "appalling, reckless and incredibly dangerous," said Sanders, the city's former police chief.

MEXICO MOVES TO DECRIMINALIZE DRUG POSSESSION
-- NO, WAIT, NEVERMIND
For a few days this week, it looked like Mexico was going to decriminalize drug possession, but that ended Wednesday when President Fox rejected the bill under US pressure.

Ganjawar Puppets Cave... again
* Mexico President Seeks Review of Drug Law
* Threats From USA Force Mexico to Drop Decrim Plans

OH, MEXICO (OH, THE EMBARRASSMENT)
US officials have now embarrassed us with both our immediate neighbors by interfering in their internal drug policies.

"The DEA is unequivocally opposed to the legalization of illicit drugs,
(including, marijuana, hemp, and hemp seed oil)."
- US DEA booklet, "Speaking Out Against Legalization"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HCdgAqicDU"]FREE MEXICAN AIRFORCE U2b

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good people to do nothing."
~ Edmund Burke

Kathmandu and the Black Prince

Kill the Messenger
Editor's note: It's not easy when a colleague, let alone a journalist you hold in the highest regard, commits suicide. When Gary Webb took his own life two years ago, he and I had both been working at the Sacramento News & Review. In the days that followed, I fielded numerous phone calls from well-meaning folks who were convinced that he had been shot by the agency he went after in his famed "Dark Alliance" series. My personal belief is that the CIA didn't need to kill Gary; they'd already set his demise in motion by employing "unnamed sources" to discredit him in the nation's major print media. To the very end, Gary complained that no one had ever disproved a single fact in his series. The fact that so many respected newspapers so eagerly took this bait, and that one of our nation's last true investigative reporters had been driven to such desperation, is something I could not reconcile then or now.

Cover-Ups, Prevarications, Subversions & Sabotage

Demonizing Drugs

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance
when the need for illusion is deep." -- Saul Bellow

Oliver heads South

So, what is this criminal’s solution to the drug war in Mexico?

If the Obama administration is serious about stopping the violence threatening Americans from our southern border, it needs to initiate some urgent diplomacy to reinstitute our access to SWIFT data — and stop talking about “legalization.”

Bush's Contra Buddies by Peter Kornbluh
Tresident George Bush, whose very name evokes a dark era many would prefer to forget, seems determined to resurrect the ghosts of America's scandal-ridden past. A number of his foreign policy appointments are former Iran-contra operatives who are being rehabilitated and rewarded with powerful foreign policy posts.

Collaterally Damaged Guatemala
Guatemala City - Today's headlines about another confrontation between Drug traffickers, DEA and Guatemalan security forces in Zacapa is just a repetition of the ongoing story of the ineffective and dangerous anti drug war implemented by the US in our territory and the region: the Merida Plan, Plan Mexico and Plan Colombia.

Stop the War on Colombians!

"Ye shall know the truth,
And the truth shall make you angry."
~ Aldous Huxley

CIA AND DRUGS READING LIST

1. The Politics of Heroin by Alfred W. McCoy (1972, 1991)
Lawrence Hill Books - ISBN 1-55652-125-1
2. Cocaine Politics by Peter Dale Scott & Johnathan Marshall (1991)
U.C. Press - ISBN 0-520-07781-4
3. The Iran-Contra Connection by Scott, Marshall, and Hunter (1987)
South End Press - ISBN 0-89608-291-1
4. The Big White Lie by Mike Levine (1993)
Thunder's Mouth Press - ISBN 1-56025-064
5. Compromised by Terry Reed (1995)
Penmarin Books - ISBN 1-883955-02-5
6. Powder Burns by Clerino Castillo (1994)
Mosaic Press - ISBN 0-88962-578-6
7. The Underground Empire by James Mills (1974, 1978)
Doubleday - ISBN 0-385-17535-3
8. Inside The Shadow Government by the Christic Institute (1987)
Declaration of Plantiff's Counsel Filed by the Christic Institute -
U.S. District Court, Miami, FL.
9. Kiss The Boys Goodbye by Monika Jensen-Stevenson and Wm
Stevenson (1990)
Dutton - ISBN 0-525-24934-6
10. Defrauding America by Rodney Stich (1994)
Diablo Western Press - ISBN 0-932438-08-3
11. Desperados: Latin Drug Lords by Elaine Shannon
U.S. Lawmen, and the War America Can't Win (1988) Viking Press

THESE BOOKS NAME NAMES, DATES AND PLACES WHERE THE CIA DEALT DRUGS. NOT ONE OF THE ABOVE AUTHORS
HAS BEEN SUED FOR LIBEL -- EVER!
Almost all of these books are available by mail or phone order from:
THE CENTER FOR THE PRESERVATION OF MODERN HISTORY (805) 899-3433

The Obama Admin's Anti-Marijuana Manifesto

"So what we’re facing is a failed drug policy, but we can never admit that. That’s a sacred cause here. We’re a twelve-pack nation that won’t let anybody have a joint."
~ Charles Bowden

 

The anti drug laws are responsible for a lot of wrongs happening, but the violence of the cartels is solely the responsibility of the cartels, just as the violence anyone commits is solely their own responsibility.

 

The anti drug laws are responsible for a lot of wrongs happening, but

No buts. Read the evidence or bring some.
Your typical drab TV view opinion doesn't geterdone.
Defending your home from violence is called survival.

The violence on the cartels is solely the responsibility of the DEA, just as the violence anyone commits is solely their own responsibility. The Mexican government prevented violence trying to legalize small amounts and was stopped by US thuggery, same as they threatened Canada. Same as they maintain this dysfunction everywhere. For profits. Saying the Mexicans are more violent shooting innocents that the DEA wrestling Polio patients to the floor to pillage their medicine is far more barbaric. Mexicans aren't attacking, they're defending. Mexicans don't come here and befriend us just to take us down and cage us. That's the DEA. Like when Carter and Rayguns sprayed Paraquat, as they now do to Colombians with Agent Green. A milder version of Agent Orange. It's sick to deny the US record of violence around the planet and lay blame on Mexican growers. Or is that brainwashing so good you think everyone should just obey the US Industrialists legislation behind the scenes pulling strings? Remove the lies the violence stops.

The Mexican growers are defending their existence from a group that lies to remain in power and make huge profits keeping individual citizens from using a safer alternative. This DEA war is based on Nixon's lies, with no physical evidence to make it a schedule#1 drug, let alone keep it there with the research and anecdotal evidence obtainable. Now 40 years later the Cartels are interwoven into the infrastructure. The Violence is caused by the war, not the soldiers. They only follow orders. If the US didn't interfere with the Mexicans they would have a farm crop to sell, not contraband to smuggle. It's not the Mexican Cartels selling Ganja, it's the people buying it because that is what they choose. Public servants as opposed to pigs eating taxes to keep competition off the market.

You know what they say about appeasers! Stop memorizing TV news and trying to make an argument with it. Cartels are buzzwords for people the government deems unworthy. They have provided 100 times more for the poor than the government. Hospitals to housing. If the US let Mexicans grow hemp they wouldn't have to migrate for scab wages. Stop excusing the Fascism by blaming those defending themselves. The violence can't be stopped with more violence or with denial. Removing Nixon's lie is the only viable solution. Stop the Gossip!

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile
- hoping it will eat him last”

 

Legalize pot; help budget, not criminals

Our legislators continually shirk their responsibility by failing to regulate drugs like marijuana. Too many kids are smoking pot, but instead of taking charge and setting an age limit, our legislators have turned it over to the criminals who sell to any age. You don’t even need a fake ID.

While alcohol sales are restricted to licensed locations at specific times, pot is sold on every street corner day or night, because we’ve put criminals in charge.

Hopelessly dependent on drug war funding, some public employees claim the drug war helps, but the reality is different.

Under prohibition, arresting a drug dealer is like advertising a lucrative job opening. Now you have two criminals, while we pay court costs, room and board for the first one.

It’s not like the drug war reduces drug use — countries with decriminalization have lower rates of use than we do, and we had much less use and less drug war violence when pot was legal.

What the drug war gives us, in addition to no results at great cost, is a jobs program for criminals, prison guards and law enforcement, plus drug war violence leading all the way to the deaths of thousands in Mexico.

It’s time for legislators to stop giving in to the criminals and lobbyists at the drug war trough and begin the legal regulation of cannabis so we can take back control and de-fund the criminals. As a side benefit, we could also dramatically help the budget.
Pete Guither, Bloomington

We could have this, or continue the violence and blaming "Cartel's" for giving citizens what they ask for...



It's the violence and death

It is unconscionable in this day that there are still masses of the American public who think that “legalization” is something you whisper about with a knowing grin that it’s merely a ploy for hippies to have the opportunity to smoke pot and watch a Cheech and Chong movie.

The discussions that we have regarding drug policy are literally matters of life and death and they need to be engaged by the public with that sense of urgency.

People need to read about the Drug War Victims and the rest of the violence that is part and parcel of prohibition.

Read Philip Smith’s piece at Stop the Drug War: Law Enforcement: Drug Cops Kill Two in Two Days in Drug Raids in Florida and Tennessee. Real tragedies.

Oh, the police investigations will say that the police acted properly in self-defense, and to an extent, they’ll be right. But the situation leading to death should never have been set up in the beginning. It was prohibition, and then the tactics of prohibition enforcement, that led to those people dying.

And now, after tens of thousands of Mexicans dying senselessly in our drug war down there, we have a “real” tragedy. continued...

 

So the idea that personal responsibility means something is just 'your typical tv drab view'?

You can pop all the links and pre-formated tirades you wish, but it will never change the fact that each person is solely responsible for the actions they take.

 

You can pop all the links and pre-formated tirades you wish, but it will never change the fact that each person is solely responsible for the actions they take.

I understand all the facts I bring will never change your TV pedestrian opinion. Back it up or stop whining on my posts. Your status quo blame game would have a rape victim as responsible as the rapists if they defended themselves? Sometimes violence prevents violence. The war is responsible for the deaths, the war is caused by lies from the corporate, church and political profiteers. Bury your head all you want, just stop drooling your unsubstantiated boring scapegoating on my posts. You don't let the facts interfere with your gossip eh? lol but typical.

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
-- Malcolm X

MS Patient Gets 5 Years for Growing Medical Marijuana
ohn Wilson, a New Jersey man with multiple sclerosis, was given five years in prison for growing cannabis for medicinal purposes.

Drug Cops Kill Two in Two Days in Drug Raids
At least two US citizens were killed in their own homes by American police enforcing the war on drugs in a 48-hour period late last week.

Sniffing Trumps Weed for 12-Year-Olds
More 12-year-olds in the U.S. get high by sniffing inhalants than by using marijuana, cocaine or hallucinogens combined, a new government report finds.

 

Why don't you kill someone over it?

 

Because you're clearly wrapped up in this shit so much so it blinds you. You associated ChronicTom with your enemy in this debate just because he is simply stating the most responsible person for violence is the commiter. Although I would not say it is the only responsibility.

I liked the report on 12 year olds. That shit is whack.

 

I am not saying they are 'most' responsible...

I am saying that they are 100% responsible for the violence they commit.

Just like the DEA is responsible for the violence they commit.

As for your comment about rape victims... You really are one fucked up individual if you think me saying each person is responsible for the actions they take somehow means the victim is responsbile for being raped. Just as with the drug cartels, the person who commits the rape would be responsible.

YOUR argument is the one who would put the blame for the action on someone other then the one who does the action.

You brought up people acting in defense of their homes. How is the drug cartel going and killing a bunch of mexican civilians defending their home? How is the drug cartel having a war with a competitor, shooting and killing each other and any civilian who gets in their way 'defense of their homes'? How does the DEA figure into them doing that?

I can walk up to you and tell you that you are the biggest piece fo shit mother fucker in the world who rapes rabbits and eats children for fun, or anything else I wish to. If you snap and shoot me, you are the only one responsible for that action. I would be partially responsible for me being shot, but only YOU would be responsible for shooting me.

The DEA may be partially responsible for people dying over the drug war, but they are by NO measure (or at least no intelligent measure) responsible for the drug cartels choosing to kill people in the line of fire, or those that are truly defending their homes, AGAINST THE DRUG CARTELS.

 

Oh and as for not posting in your threads... I think you will find that any thread you make where you blame one group for the actions of another, you will find me tellling you to pull your head out of your ass.

 

(bumping so I don't forget to read this)

 

Your intelligence is showing so clearly here.... quote MLK saying that newspapers (media outlets) will have you blaming the wrong people, and you pop links to things the media is saying....

GOOD JOB... you proved MLK's point perfectly...

Let's look at your links shall we?

MS Patient Gets 5 Years for Growing Medical Marijuana

Absolutely nothing to do with the drug cartels at all, and nothing to do with violence... Does it demonstrate the the war on drugs is a bad thing, yes. Does it in any way show a link between actions the drug cartels take and who is responsbile?? NO

Next..

Drug Cops Kill Two in Two Days in Drug Raids

Once again, not one mention of the drug cartels or their violence, this is a story about cops shooting people. Who is responsible? The COPS who pulled the triggers.

Next..

Sniffing Trumps Weed for 12-Year-Olds

A story about which substance 12 year old americans prefer to use to get a buzz... not even close to being related to the issue being discussed.

3 out of 3 having ZERO to do with your thread...

With you pissing all over your own thread, why should anyone else not do the same thing?


Look, I can post links too...

Drug cartel killings along border often unreported

As two powerful groups of drug traffickers engaged in fierce urban combat in Reynosa in recent weeks, the reality that many residents were living and the one that the increasingly timid news media and the image-conscious politicians portrayed were difficult to reconcile.


Mexican drug cartel murders 12 federal agents

Members of La Familia Michoacana left death threats near the bodies of the 11 men and one woman, who were off duty when they were seized at the weekend.


Drug gang hushes killings with news blackout

A powerful drug cartel is buying off journalists in northern Mexico to work as spies and smother coverage of a spike in killings on the U.S. border in the latest attack on the media in Mexico.