The universe exists because of how our brain perceives it

Damn dude throwing your grandpa under the bus...

 

he's the guy my mom's step mom married to. so he's like my step-step-grandpa and he's a church-tard. thinkin he knows everything with what the church and the GOP are telling him. yuck. I'd surely "throw my grandpa under the bus" if it was the same ol' stupid crap i hate. it not really throwin under the bus tho , just fyi. its just dissin him! hhahaha

 

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I don't think that's really fair, boguskyle. I do understand what you're saying and agree up to a certain point, but just because we are only here because of the Sun does not make the precise positioning of the Sun in relation to Earth and all the other variables which allow our existence any less miraculous. That is why I have faith in some sort of Divine Order, not necessarily a sentient God or Creator, but I believe everything that exists is equally as important as everything else and everything that happens at every moment happens for a reason as part of the function of some greater mechanism in the context of the larger body of the Universe. Like I believe the Universe is a Living Being. And so is Earth for that matter, and the Sun, and all celestial bodies and Galaxies and on up the line in terms of fractal growth and crazy shit, who knows what humongous thing we are all a part of, the Universe could be a cell of an omega organism, who knows! In fact, I am almost certain it is lol...

sweet lord reality is crazy wild art

 

This is exactly what I am talking about the fact that u completely disagree means that u and me and ur grandad all live in different worlds yes we share the same universe there for the data received is the same but the translation of it and the projection from within in to the imaginary external world is completely different.


Say an alien lands on ur back yard lawn with a cool looking space ship and waits for u to come out with a HOLY SHIT expression on ur face and then he points towards a star within the sky that u cannot see with a naked eye or for that matter with any telescope from earth. Now there is no reason to think that an alien is lying so u and the world think ok the star must be there its real. But when u think about it in what sens is the star real for u and the rest of the world ? There is no scientific evidence nor a logical one the alien can be telling the truth just as easily as a lie the fact of the matter is as far as the whole earth is concerned the star does not exist.


Or say u go on to who what to be a millionaire show, the final question is do Egyptian pyramids exist ?
Without a moment of consideration u answer yes so would I. But assuming u never visited Egypt how come u are so dam sure the pyramids exist? Seen it in a documentary read it in a book.. but in the end all u have is a belief never the less it feels just as real as ur right arm or the rest of ur know universe. And this is an eg of how the mind creates the universe that u live in.

 

I don't think you understand my point, or just aren't really thinking hard enough.

 

the only point you make is that you do not point .

shroom speaks . i listen . i speak to shroom . shroom gets a little bigger .

i'd suppose should ever this universe not exist , it will have never existed .

should ever the universe slow to a stop - life has failed to move stuff around .

what do we do ? we are motion . we eat shrooms here and shit shrooms there -move stuff around . we blow up asteroids . we'll protect the earth from the next mass-extinction event . . it's ok to firstly point at the obvious concerning what all life does , and this should indicate purpose .

consider the universal will to survive .
someday we might be asked to help relocate the galaxy .

 

my point was that because we can perceive things, doesn't mean everything was made around the mind. we perceive because of everything else.
in a different thread a while ago, archemetis said the same thing as the op. to paraphrase cuz i dont wanna look up the thread, he said something similar to- the universe is what our perception does. and i said, no, our perception is what the universe does

if you mean something entirely different, please elaborate cuz it was kinda a small post to take thought specifically to.

 

Do you really think a million dollar question would be do the pyramids exist?

You can get into that whole Descartes reductionist view but you will arrive at the same conclusion as him that you can only know you exist. Even if you saw the pyramids from far can you say for certain they exist? I don't really like questioning to that degree as we need to appeal to authority sometimes and accept those facts. If my close friend goes to new York and describes the architecture, color and history of the statue of liberty based on him/her seeing it I will believe it exists.

Bogus and his step grandpas view of God may greatly differ not because of some natural perception of the world or not even life experiences necessarily, it can do with simply how their family raised them and peer influences.

 

Am not some nut that goes a round claiming that nothing exist I just think that every person sees the world in theirs own specific way, and I for 1 think that from individual point of view a perception of an object is more important that the actual objects looks to the rest of the world.


Whats that u say ppl are out to get u? What now u are hallucinating big monsters are in ur room geez get over it I don't see any of that shit get back in to ur dark room


Oh and don't read to much in to my egs characters or situations these are meaningless like a frame around a picture.

 

The fact that your brain perceives a universe does not mean it physically exists.

 

Everything we look at, think about, react to is based purely on how we perceive it. Who knows if the way we think about anything is the correct way to perceive.

Or what if there is no correct way, and the way that the beholder of the consciousness in question perceives, is the only way to truly perceive anything because its the only way for that particular mind to understand anything.

What I mean is, IF there IS a correct way to look at things, I don't know if we as humans would even be able to grasp and understand it, simply because of our minds default way of operation.

 

I disagree.

I agree to an extent Noobalot that at some level we each perceive the world and universe slightly differently. But, I think it's pretty hard to argue that the majority of our world and perception we do agree upon and it's the perception of our world which I would call consensus reality. If you stick your hand on a burning stove and then jump back and scream in pain. I do not even need that experience to know not to touch the stove, because I perceive the same thing will happen to me. consensus reality is responsible for industry, law, technology, and civilization. Now we can find little disagreements with in those paradigms but I think that's a separate issue, the fact that they exist at all means we had to have agreed on our perception of reality at one point in time.

 

I'm talking about what if there was an alien culture, so far away that we cant contact them in anyway. These "people" have figured out the correct way to perceive everything that happens ever. I don't think that if they came to us, and told us "this is the correct way", I don't think that we as people would be able to understand and respect it because we do things completely different. We definitely wouldn't put it into practice and we wouldn't trust it.

I totally understand where your coming from though.

 

How can you ever be certain they have figured out the correct way to perceive everything though?

Their 'correct' way may just not be feasible by us based on our biological limitations.

 

There can be no "correct" way to perceive something. Everything simply is. When you look at a car, whether you think it's a junker or you think it's a luxury car, the only definite truth is that it is, in fact, a car. The rest is purely perception. Just because you interpret the car to be a junker does not make it so; all that is true about it in a universal sense is simply that it is definitely a car of some sort.

However, that is assuming that what one perceives to be their environment is real, if you want to get into Descartes and the like.

 

Yah but see this get's back to that consensus reality thing I was talking about in the last post. There is what I would say a majority of people (consesus) that can tell you whether that car is good or not and we can consensually decide if that's a good car.

Plenty of people have experience with cars so Things like the gas mileage it gets, the price, the durability, the comfort, etc. of the car can all factor in whether or not it's a good car. Now obviously there is probably some outliers who are car enthusiasts who may nitpick or praise little nuances of the car not apparent to the average prospective buyer and then those who may have no experiences with cars at all but there are certain variables that can help decide in 'reality' whether it's a good car or not.

 

The idea of consensus reality is correct in that most can agree on some things and those things become generally accepted truths, but just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it absolutely true. The Earth was round as ever even when almost everybody believed it was flat.

 

That is a good point. They also lacked a lot of the technological advances that we have. Furthermore from what i've learned, many scientists and philosophers from at least until the beginning of the Common Era did not believe the world was flat. It's a bit of a misconception that like a couple hundred years ago this was the way of thinking by everyone. They just didn't have either the power and/or the ability to voice their opinion, not to mention dealing with competitive ways of thinking.

So then that gets back to the songremainsthesames hypothetical situation, what happens if we hypothetically are visited by some advanced alien culture that KNOWS the correct perception of life yet we don't have the technological ability or biological plasticity to understand/deal with it? We are obviously living a false truth yet we can't live in the correct reality. There seems to be some sort of perceptual ceiling that we hit at some points based on our biological makeup and limitations.

 

I know not everybody thought that, but it was widely accepted for quite a long time.

Anyway, while a species with a psychological makeup different than our own could quite possibly comprehend things we haven't the ability to, the point I was trying to make is that there is no correct reality. Reality is interpretation; interpretation is reality. While the things we perceive around us may exist, that is not one's reality.

One's reality is their interpretation of those things one perceives. You use your senses to gather information about the things around you, but as soon as that information goes into your mind it goes through all these filters. Said filters are your interpretation of your perception, and they are what creates your reality for you.