never had any!

hello all

i've never done any kinda drugs or smoked anything.

i've become a huge psych fan and my love for the music has spurned me to question that maybe i can only truly understand it by actually experiencing some ganja or salvia....

i wanted to ask people here what would be the best...i know you can get salvia and chew it, and dont really have anywhere to smoke it (i maybe able to smoke some ganja with a friend, but hes kinda hard to contact!).

i really want to be able to use the experience and have some fun......any ideas???!

 

Salvia probably won't give you the "Psychedelic" feeling that you're looking for here. It's not really comparable to LSD or any other psychs portrayed in the media. It's definately a divine experience into the depths of your mind, and it can be very scary how real it can get sometimes. I would just smoke it with your buddy that smokes pot, and take turns looking after each other while you trip. I would for sure smoke some pot and eat some mushrooms for a good psychedelic experience if you think you couldn't handle an inward journey such as salvia right away.

 

like colimon said
but hold off on the salvia until you've experienced other psych's

 

hey there!
hmm....really great for you guys to mail this, and it sounds like a really good plan. i will fend off the salvia and see if i can score some weed with my friend, if i get a hold of him! really appreciate this advice! will keep you guys updated as to when i actually experience some of this psych experience....! hopefully soon man! muchas gracias dudes!

 

no problema

have fun!

 

Yeah I've got to agree with everyone else.
Salvia, despite it's temporary legality and relatively short duration, is not a beginner's drug.
I think you would benefit by staying away from it until you have more experience with psychedelics in general.

 

Especially if you want to connect with the music, definitely go with the marijuana. You would get about only 1/2 way through most psychedelic songs and 1/4 of a few of them by the time salvia would be over. Marijuana is awesome to sit back and relax and listen to some music.

 

Just light and work your way up, trust everyone when they tell you that.

Otherwise you may wish you had never done anything, and never would again.

 

Cool, this is is really good to read and above all, will be following this advice Appreciate it thoroughly ) muchas, muchas gracias)

Any recommendations of what kinda marijuana a newbie should experience first off? i'm sure my friend will have a good deal of knowledge as he's been smoking for some time but was just kinda curious

 

if your friend has a great deal of knowledge just trust him/her and go with a strong sativa. (I don't think it really matters though) I have been smoking 10 years and can't really tell the difference between many types of weed. The only difference I can tell is between shwag and potent weed. Shwag usually looks like grass clipping with lots of stems, good weed is often dense, crystally, pungent smelling, and gooey if you pull it apart. When it comes to all the specific names and hybrids I know about as much as you and they differ in different areas let Alone countries.

 

My suggestion for what psychedelics/entheogens you should use in order goes as follows;

1. Start with good ol' ganja. Smoking cannabis is a good way for a beginner to see how the hallucinogenic world operates, even if they get no visuals (I personally always get closed-eyed visuals). A good sativa would be recommended as well if you want the heady more psychedelic experience, sativa tends to have a higher ratio of thc as well. Indica makes a good medicine for the body though. At higher dosages any strain of bud can be very psychedelic and spiritual as anything else.

2. LSD or Psilocybin Mushrooms. Both psychedelics make excellent spiritual tools and mind expanding agents. Shrooms will be a shorter duration so I would recommend it before acid. Shrooms seem to get me more in touch with nature and the big picture, while acid seems more relevant to specific life situations. Kinda like psychoanalysis on steroids, lol.

3. DMT or Salvia. But I would recommend DMT, as it's the real deal. No psychedelic will take as far away from ordinary reality. Well Salvia can take you far away but in a different way. One thing I find about Salvia is that it has a huge body component (at least for me) but not necessarily visual, unless I mix it with some ganja or something. It's a very strange experience, but still quite different from ganja and psychedelics. DMT is very visual and will give you the peak of an acid or shroom trip in 5-20 mins. Although much more powerful than either acid or shrooms. If I were to choose between DMT and Salvia for a person, I would choose DMT just because it seems closer to the true mystery. Salvia is a safe hallucinogen, but in a different universe. In fact in some way Salvia is more of a dissociative in its effects, though it works differently on the body and brain than other dissociatives.

If you ever want to more out of your mind than this, well there really isn't any need to since the other psychedelics do it for you in a safe way. But if you still seek even more different hallucinogec experience there are the dissociatives like Nitrous Oxide, Ketamine, DXM, and PCP. If you really wanna try these dissociative hallucinogens, I would suggest either Nitrous Oxide or Ketamine. There have been a lot more positive reports about these, a lot more so than DXM and PCP (and especially PCP). DXM is what is found in cough syrup and like Nitrous Oxide and Salvia, it is legal. Depending on dose you can get a very hallucinogenic experience from this too. PCP probably takes you the most out there of the traditional dissociatives, but it's probably the worst for your brain. Please do keep in mind that unlike the psychedelics, all 4 of these dissociatives cause brain damage, especially if used frequently and over a long term. PCP probably causing the worst brain damage, followed by DXM. Ketamine and Nitrous have less neuro-toxicity but don't take these lightly as they do damage the brain too when over-used.

If you seek to go further than the traditional dissociatives, I would suggest you turn back unless you're really devoted to studying every mental universe that exists. If you feel as if you need to, there are a class of dissociatives called deliriants. These include Datura, Brugmansia, Belladonna, and the like. The dissociatives are highly toxic and their effects are highly unpredictable. You usually don't remember the experience either, kinda like a dream. Experiences from these type of hallucinogens resemble day-dreaming/sleep-walking. As stated I would not recommend these substances as there is really not much positive to report from these experiences usually. Potency also varies so much for plants like datura making it a lot more dangerous. I don't however want to trash these plants to the bone as they have been used successfully in shamanism all around the world and especially notable by witches of old. But it something you should not do lightly, and yeah being a professional would be much more recommended before ever considering these.

Hope this advice helps.

 

^ I recommend mescaline as well. Dpt is another psychedlic that I've heard can even make Dmt look weak. Also mdma can be some blissful mild psychedelia.

I say after pot just do whatever you want and what's available. If you can't get shrooms or acid I don't see why waiting around to try salvia is necessary. Just read up on whatever new substance you decide to try.

 

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DPT makes DMT look weak? I'm not so sure about that....DPT is certainly similar to DMT, but DPT seems to lack entities when compared to DMT. Though I guess it can depend on the individual.

DPT is 100% legal though.

 

I've only taken 5 Meo Dmt so I can't say for sure. I've heard numerous people say dpt is less forgiving then dmt though and it lasts a couple hours. I often hear dpt referred to as brother and Dmt sister, dpt is often said to be a transcendental fear, where Dmt is an overwhelming comfort.

Also ketamine can be pretty damn intense too, and that i know from personal experience.

 

the entities are in your head, not in the drug.

 

5-Meo-DMT is NOT the same thing as DMT. Substances like 5-Meo-DMT, 4-HO-DMT (chemical in shrooms), ect. are similar to DMT but certainly not the same.

Reports seem to indicate DPT is like DMT turned down a notch, though I guess this can vary from person to person and with dose.

DMT can certainly have an element of fear, depending on how you look at the experience.

Entities produced period as a result of the experience, not where the entities come from. DMT seems to produce entity contact more than DPT, whether the entities come from the mind is irrelevant.

 

I know 5 Meo dmt is different than dmt and if we want to talk about intensity, most people find 5 Meo dmt more intense than n,n dmt.

Seeing or feeling entities really does not say much about the strength of a drug. I've felt entities on a mix of methylone and pot a mild stimulant and mild hallucinogen while ketamine on the other hand has dissolved my whole being into geometrical patterns and thrust me into pulsating white light where the idea of being had no meaning. I have yet to see entities on ketamine.

 

hmmmmmmm, similarities and differences ime.

for me salvia, 5 meo, and n,n dmt all have that rapid "launched out of a cannon" come up and intensity. there are differences in the way the launch feels though.
salvia makes my body feel like its turning inside out from the inside out. strange pulls and sensations that i have no other expiriencial reference to compare it to. its kind of uncomfortable and disorienting. my mind also seems to fold in upon itself, my thoughts take on an independant feeling, auditory hallucinations are conjured up by my subconcious and my trips are "visual" in a way that has nothing to do with the way i ordinarily expirience vision. i do not see vivid colors and shapes, and yet i do in some way, kind of like how daydreams are an inner-visual expirience. idk, how to describe. its also been a long time since my last salvia trip.

5-meo is a launch that i feel in my chest. my heart pounds, my breathing feels restricted, my body takes on a numbed or "cold dead like" feeling, but there is no actual restriction in movement. no visuals, i remain where i launched from only with a distanced perspective. it feels like the void.

n,n dmt is a horse of a different color. the launch can be uncomfortable with ringing ears and anxiety only if i havent broken thru. i think there are many different layers one can launch into with dmt. sub sub breakthrouth just provides the ringing and general tryptamine feel. sub breakthrough brings on the "colored geomentric chrysanthimum" visuals. pushing beyond that layer is what i would call a breakthrough. strange alien realms with strange beings, the likes of which we've all read so many stories about. very visual, like watching a movie behind closed eyes. somtimes its comfortable, somtimes increadibly uncomfortable. often times theres a sound when breaking through, not like the ringing but not so unlike it either. with ayahuasca the transition is slowed down more so than smoked, and with aya iv always felt the sound is the vibrations or energetic imprints that mark the entity presence on the otherside. following the sound brings them into my expirience. sometimes its like a whirlwind if a crowd has gathered. with salvia, any entity presence i encounter tends to feel like it comes from within myself, like my thoughts taking form. with a dmt breakthrough they tend to feel independant from myself.

iv never done dpt.

 

It's relevant, because if the entities are from your mind, that means it is your mind which is the factor here, not which particular tryptamine you are tripping on. If you wanted to, you could have entity contact on mushrooms (4-ho-dmt). I have smoked DMT a dozen times and never had anything other than the typical tryptamine experience; ego dissolution, synesthesia, euphoria. The experience has always been the opposite of what people say; Mckenna described DMT as you staying sober and going to another place full of jeweled basketballs and all that . . . every time I've done it, the whole fracking point of it is that "me" dissapears. And I don't "go" anywhere, I stay exactly where I am, sitting on my bathroom floor, I just experience tryptamine effects.

So saying that DMT produces more entity contact is incorrect imo. The much more likely explanation is that people's expectations of DMT produce entity contact. Why would an advanced trans-dimensional civilization only communicate with humans through one particular molecule . . . ah you know what, I can't even take it seriously enough to actually be interested.