best metallica album?

Discussion in 'Music' started by authority?, Nov 22, 2004.

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best album?

  1. kill 'em all

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  2. ride the lightning

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  3. master of puppets

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  4. ....and justice for all

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  5. black album

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  6. load

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  7. reload

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  8. garage inc.

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  9. S&M

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  10. st. anger

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  1. gmdukes

    gmdukes Banned

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    Metallica Is The Gayes Fucking Shit I Ever Heard Of In My Life. Actually, All Metal Is Pure Gay Ass Bullshit Tough Guy Image Shit, Or Trying To Be Melodic Than Blow Your Head Off Crappy Noise. Fuck Metal And Fuck You Too Assholes.
     
  2. Lizard Lady

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    S&M. I think it's my sentimental favorite because that was my first exposure to Metallica. I have to admit I'm not as crazy about what I've heard of their really early stuff. Justice is just on the edge of what I like of theirs. I like the newer stuff because it's not so damn heavy that it's all just noise. I like heavy, but so long as I can halfway understand what the hell they're singing.

    I really love their songs Unforgiven II and Hero of the day.
     
  3. authority?

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    oooh we got a few metallica haters!


    so what you guys into since you give such a closed minded opinion of tallica

    and i don't mind them suing napster, i'm against music piracy as well
     
  4. AutumnAuburn

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    S&M... I just love guitars and violins playing side by side... :)
     
  5. AutumnAuburn

    AutumnAuburn Senior Member

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    Symphony & Metallica
     
  6. authority?

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    indeed it is a masterpiece, i think '- human' is just such an amazing song

    and they even make 'master of puppets' sound good! :eek:

    the first 3 songs are great
     
  7. gmdukes

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    im not closed minded, i used to own every cd. then one day i woke up and realized how fucking gay they are, and i threw them all out.
     
  8. authority?

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    oooh, what kinda stuff do you like then?


    good charlotte? :p


    that was a joke, no offense!
     
  9. MusicMan19

    MusicMan19 Music Elitist

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    Yeah, I respect that they tried to go thier own way on Load and Reload, but I can't respect the sound of the music. They tried to make a more blues-influenced album, and James tried to settle down and actually sing, and we kind of came to the crashing realization that the guy couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. Metal singers aren't supposed be able to sing, but it just makes it that much worse when they try to. He really should have just stuck to what he was really good at, which was growling and playing great rhythm guitar. The man has an incredible control of his downward picking technique and economy chording, but he should have stuck to that. He knows that metal style, he's good at that. I can't say I like anything after "...And Justice for All", not even the "Black Album" even though Bob did a great job recording that fairly bad album, I must admit. I enjoyed S&M, I suppose, but that's pretty much like saying you like the old albums, with an orchestra.

    I didn't really like Garage Inc., mainly because I don't like cover albums, and I think they butchered a few of the classics, and covered some really bad songs, I mean who covers Budgy tunes? I think the "Turn the Page" cover was an atrocity. Bob Seger was probably not impressed, and if he was it was probably only overtly so. Metallica... don't ever try to cover Bob Seger and his Silver Bullet band!

    I think basically all the first 4 albums had something really great within the the album, something that you should you really love as a fan of the band.

    Kill 'Em All: had the thrash metal feel, 200 beats per minute, thin distortion, scratchy vocals of a 19-year old James Hetfield, the great lead of Dave Mustaine and a great bass solo (Anasthesia) by Cliff. Too bad the production quality was so bad, although some people might actually find that unique and raw. The younger man's angst was really apparent on that album. The No Life 'Til Leather demo was the only other bit of material by Metallica that I've ever heard that was even more violent than this album.

    Ride The Lightning: showed the metal maturity of the band. The distortion got thicker, the lyrics became fueled by something other than violence and the rock life (which some may have missed) and the guitar work had gotten a bit more rhythm based, but the leads were lacking compared to the first album. Ofcourse, this was after Kirk was hired, and even being trained by Joe Satriani played worse than the self-taught Dave Mustaine.

    Master of Puppets: had better recording quality than the first 2 albums ++, the guitar work was better on the rhythm and the lyrics in a few of the songs were actually very expressive. What I found strange about that album was the dichotomy between the songs. Some had very well thought-out lyrics, complex and great melodies, while the rest were pure rubbish.

    ...And Justice for All: had incredibly well thought-out lyrics, and followed a theme, which was cool. The crooked system run by cash and thieves theme was a nice change. I'm a progressive metal nerd at the core, so I enjoy themes to an album. The rhythm work was great, the tones were nice 'n heavy since they changed to the Marshall JCM900 series and this album actually had a few meter changes which gave it a really nice paradigm shift. The rhythms were not generally the same few chords, verse, verse, chorus, verse, verse, but you actually had some difference in rhythm patterns before and after the chorus' and solos. And the leads? Well, the leads on this album, like I said, were extraordinary. Kirk was at the top of his game. The phrasing involving the same bluesy pentatonic scales was out, and more exotic scales were in, tapping was utilized, the wah was used sparingly but very well, and the harmonization between James and Kirk on the leads was great. Jason did a good job on the bass (but honestly metal bass,...what's to know?). My only complaint was that the bass recording production was terrible. Half of it, as Jason admits on the "Year in the life of..." DVD was because he was poor as a young kid and had really bad basses with really bad set-ups, so he learned to thump really hard on the strings, the fact that he uses a pick while Cliff always used his fingers and the fact that the album was produced by Flemming Rasmussen who was less than experienced. If you listen to the album, you can hear these factors coming into play to create a really prominant bass guitar track, which gets really annoying, I must admit. All-in-all, I'd have to judge this thier best album by far, as well as one of the better heavy metal albums produced in the late '80s.

    It's just too bad they didn't meet producer Bob Rock until 1991, or that album could have been pretty much flawless. Maybe if they'd kept Mustaine since 1982 the album would have been even better, though. Megadeth had some really great leads between Marty and Dave. I don't think Kirk really compares to Mustaine at all, or ever really will, but he played really well on AJFA.

    If, ofcourse, ya wanted to read all that! ;) That's just my take on the whole thing.
     
  10. crummyrummy

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    yeah, what he said
     
  11. Vicar_in_a_Tutu

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    Black Album
     
  12. Lizard Lady

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    WHOA! I think it's funny (in that "different strokes for different folks" kind of way) that you like Metallica up to AJFA and not much afterwards...I'm the opposite! *LOL*! :D

    What I listened to of Garage Inc I didn't like. The ONLY song, ironically, that I did like was their rendition of Turn the Page. Don't know why, I just like it. About halfway through the first cd I couldn't listen to any more of it. I'm not a big fan of cover music either, I mean if I wanted to listen to whoever they were covering, I'd just listen to the original band instead! Admittedly, I have heard some covers I liked, but, by and large I like a bands OWN music better.
     
  13. authority?

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    i have to say that i like metallica from all of their periods (only not heard garace inc). for example the songs fade to black, unforgiven and unforgiven II are all amazing songs (even though the last has country influence :eek:) and esp unforgiven II brings tears to my eyes.

    i like a band with diversity and for me it makes them a lot more interesting to listen to. i think all albums are good as themselves. perhaps the ones i like least are justice for all and reload. i probably would not like garage inc but i wouldn't know until i get it
     
  14. MusicMan19

    MusicMan19 Music Elitist

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    I like a band with diversity, unless when they try to become diverse they fail miserably and realize they can't do it. That's just not worth it. I like diversity within one field, but I usually don't like a band to go off on thier own musical tangent into another genre, that's just annoying. If you're going to do that, change the band name, and call it a "concept LP". That's just my take on it. That concept LP would have bombed, I'm sure, which is undoubtedly why the Metallica name was put on Load and Reload, and not to be an asshole, but proves just how big a tool most music fans are. If the music is pretty bad, but it's associated with a big name, a lot of them are quick to jump on the boat...can't admit it sucks (that may very well not be the case with you), but if it were a side-project of the band under a different name playing the same music, they'd hate it.
     
  15. authority?

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    i think load/reload and st anger would have been more popular in other bands because everyone judges metallica on their first 4-5 albums.

    but i like them as they are, not because it's metallica. in fact, i heard the load style before their old school and i liked it more initially and in a sense i still like that style more. although ride the lightning is my favorite (load is a very close second).

    i actually do sincerely like metallica from all of their periods, i appreciate the music from all phases. although i have to say that the albums i like least are master and justice. but i still like them a lot too.
     
  16. 8footsativa_chik

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    :eek: You can not be serious! ...And Justice For All was Metallica in there prime, bar one person for obvious reasons but thats beyond the point. The point my friend, is that this album contains one of their best instrumentals - To Live Is To Die, 'One' (enough said) and there fastest song Dyers Eve which is a Mean song. Harvester Of Sorrow, and justice for all and Blackend all add there own flavour to the album aswell. Their lyrics are also very well thought out in this album, but most of there lyrics are fine in all albums.
    So how come its your least favorite album?
     
  17. authority?

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    i didn't like the sound of it and on the whole it's a boring album. i admit that they have great songs there (one, eye of the beholder, to live is to die) and i'm learning to like it. but the thing is still that i get bored of it after 2 minutes.

    it has the same flaw as st anger, you can't hear the bass too well.

    some of the individual songs are amazing but on the whole, as an album, it just doesn't cut it for me.
     
  18. 8footsativa_chik

    8footsativa_chik Waka Chang-Chang

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    St Angers flaw was that there was too much symbals and drum bashing and not enough guitar work. What happend to the solos? And the instrumentals.
    I must admit it is an aquired taste. but i think its their best.
    I do like all of there albums though as they have there own sound and they're quite unique, this i like. I just think ...and justice for all was them, at there best as musicians, IMO. Ohwell

    Take care.
     
  19. authority?

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    aah my likeness of music isn't determined by technical ability but sound and the atmosphere it creates.

    yeah i know the mixing wasn't the best on st anger but they put the drums up front on purpose though.

    and it is actually more instrumental than load/reload but they just cut the solos out. i suppose it was good to do that for a change too. you know getting those 30 second wah solos on every song gets really annoying
     
  20. MusicMan19

    MusicMan19 Music Elitist

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    • Actually, like I said, if you listen to the Justice album, you'll hear that the bass is actually too loud, for reasons I've mentioned, but mainly because Flemming couldn't produce his way out of a paper bag. They got Bob Rock to do the Black Album 3 years later and you can hear a real production quality differnece.
    • The reason St.Anger was bad, in my opinion, was because Lars used a metal snare drum, so it sounded like he was beating a trash can, James and Kirk switched from Marshall amps ('Tallica's sound, man!) to Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifiers, and they used Baritone guitars with 27 3/4' scale necks, and down-tuned guitars. The lyrics were also completely trite and completely boring. It was fairly clear they were trying to cash in on the numetal sound that is popular today. If you like that, more power to you, but this wasn't Metallica, in my opinion.
    • I'm not saying that Load or Reload sucked because they weren't technical enough (I feel like I've had this argument a million times), so much as I thought they sucked because James can't actually 'sing' in the traditional sense, and because Metallica can't play blues and Kirk has about as much moody blues emotion as a Cakewalk guitar track.
    It's just strange to me that Metallica, in 1989, had long hair, were wearing jeans and a t-shirt. In 1991 they meet Bob Rock and Michael Sligel of Matellius production, make few bucks (understatement) on their 'softer', more main-stream (for the time) album, the Black album, then wait 4 years to produce another album, and when they do they come out with short hair, cigars and leisure suits on and are attempting blues. 6 years later, when they find numetal is selling big, they switch to baritone guitars, triple rectification amplifiers, and they start hanging out with/touring with Limp Bizkit. I'm sorry, but I notice a pattern here.

    I'm as big an old Metallica fan as the next guy, but it's clear they didn't change direction to persue a new style, but to persue cash, and they did it twice so far. I just don't have any respect for a band that makes such an obvious ploy to play off what is "the sound" at the time. Bob Rock was a great producer, but he was a really bad influence on the band, as was fat wads of cash. Play music that is at your heart and not your bank account, or expect to lose fans.
     
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