Is the World at large disappointing, or are the people in it So?

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by godhaunt, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. godhaunt

    godhaunt Banned

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    I ask this question of all of you for the problem should never be the knowledge we fall into to reason whether we are Happy or not. Rather it is a matter of knowing the progress itself for that sort of thing.

    We may be sad for the presence of such realities as the abstract objects being an incommunicable disease. We used to regard them, and I believe still do in the history of literature. We would take them for granted for the art involved to reflect and discuss our tastes. We didn't have to believe what we were articulating or symbolizing to our fellow before our eyes. And then we were phony. We believed; didn't really believe. The belief was an abstract object itself for the science, a barbaric aberration of methodology to our condition of Man.

    This was as much progress or even more progress to the self-realized world about. The belief of common knowledge was there in the books of no apparent betterment for the human condition.

    So we are sad and we don't want an explanation for being sad. The people were disappointing as well for insisting on the world showing the human progress; realizing they can't explain it just to justify that the marvelous inventions which needed no constant assertion to their scientific privilege and discourse were 'good'.


    Am I worthy to be called a nihilist now? No. I still say I am with you anarchists.:D
     
  2. wild-flowers

    wild-flowers forever arbitrary

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    Everything is the same even if it's different.
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Disappointment is a is a phenomena reserved for the one who appoints.
     
  4. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    The world can be disappointing in no way whatsoever. The world itself is a completely objective thing. It is the things that walk among it that create its temperament and atmosphere.
     
  5. boguskyle

    boguskyle kyleboguesque

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    very interesting.
    correct me if i'm wrong cuz it's a lil hard to interpret, but you're basically saying we're sad because of the domination of truth and fact.
    I think truth and fact is a big pill that human kind needs to swallow for further evolving itself. And I think it comes down to further enhanced capabilities of the brain and mind to know how to distinguish both glories of absolute lie and truth. To use fact as the basis of all play, art, party. Truth and fact are there also to settle the more material frontier of economy and politics to protect the harbingers of thinking. Common knowledge is only there for the betterment of the human condition

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'we don't want an explanation for being sad'. What makes you say that?
    And in what ways are people insisting on the world showing human progress?
    I agree with the last part because our motivations for inventions -and what we commonly think of motivation as-, is an altered unpure corrupt version. That has to do with other topics of business and economy though.
     
  6. godhaunt

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    So still we wish to explain sadness per say to the justice system. If we were to regard sadness instead as discontentment with the action men or ideologies perform, we should find the feelings Cut from being oneself. Or we could explicitly determine the feelings for the justice in the world phenomenon.:deadxmas:
     
  7. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    Humans are hostile creatures. That's that.
     
  8. godhaunt

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    This makes you happy I trust. But I can't trust you yourself. All the words the computer could deceive this afternoon cannot allow me to trust you. Unless the ego create a test of injustice we prefer for and with each other.
     
  9. Wuji

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    Perhaps look into something called Neitzchean affirmation of life.
     
  10. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    Okay...

    Please don't chop me into little pieces.
     
  11. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    What leads you to this conclusion?
     
  12. godhaunt

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    No, it's all right. As the Hegelian tragedy proceeded: what was shot out of a gun, somehow was already law in the west for changing (the "Unforgiven" with Clint Eastwood) ... the law, a scattered image of Totality.

    Love from Smolensk:rolleyes:, White Russia.
     
  13. deleted

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    I am a living thread of string, Life is a knot, I must untie the knots on life to get straighter and stronger and expand.. I am not disappointed ..
     
  14. godhaunt

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    So it is the "Toward a Genealogy of Morals" eh? No! I resent you.:deadxmas:
     
  15. thedope

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    More that space is curved and course corrections are made to travel in a straight line.
     
  16. ci0616

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    liking it...

    And i agree. You allow yourself to be disappointed, as cliche as that may sound.
     
  17. godhaunt

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    Yu-up, the source of philosophy to William Barret: astonishment, as much as wonder.
     
  18. themnax

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    well if you insist on pretending human society is the end all and be all, instead of the small, though often destructive, fraction that it is, then of course, that's asking for disappointment and inflicting it on yourself. even the stuff we've made, some of it, is greater then we are. and then nature, that's way more and beyond, both in complexity, and potential for gratification when we put the two together in creatively nondestructive ways.

    when people pretend our destructiveness can't be prevented, that its part of it, they're really making excuses for not caring about their own effects on it, because they think they're getting something out of doing so.

    you can always find disappointment if you look for it. but it's not the only thing that can be looked for and found. other people can forcibly narrow what we're able to notice about it, but nothing beyond the gravitation sphere in which we are able to orbit objects are humans yet able to damage.

    there's a universe of diversity out there, that absolutely cannot be affected by anything one or more humans forces on one or more other humans. however deadly or horrendous or even just plain tedious, what people are able to do to each other might otherwise be.
     
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    The world being disappointing or the people in it being disappointing are both matters of personal opinion. Which means it's not true for everybody, just you until you change your mind
     
  20. Drugreference

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    I did not answer because it was too hot out.
     

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