Good news about people banning various drugs

The company that makes the shit says they make 5 new chemicals every month so if they get banned they ship a new one out right away. So to all the people who stocked, bad move

 

The idea is to ban a group, which means all of the variations of that group of chems. I assume you mean the recent outlawing of mephadrone?

 

can you be more specific as to what companies or drugs

 

They already have a new drug in England which is legal, you ban them individually.

Drugs like mephadrone and shit. Companies around the world, I don't wanna say. Just in case

 

Maybe this explains why prices on Meph have nearly doubled, not that I'm interested in the stuff myself

 

Yes, it was ridiculous, dealers would just buy online and resell to idiots... Pretty much everyone who dealt with speed/ecstasy was offering it... It was really strange for me to be at a time and place where i could observe and experience an appearance and outlawing of a new substance, and the events in between. I read articles of fucking 13 year old's with meph in school because it was legal, and at first teachers could not do anything about it.

Anyway, the fuss with it seems to have died down now...

 

Props to them then, even most idiots turn down random chems. It's not easy slangin chems

Anyway I'm glad shit is getting banned there, sketchy drugs like that hurt our quest for legalizing marijuana as they bring to much media attention that then gets turned into a firestorm against drugs as a whole, instead of just the one substance that deserves the scrutiny.

 

They had (might still have) a shop in London where you could buy it. You signed a form saying it wasn't for human use and you could buy 15g, 50g, 100g, 500g. Crazy. Only one person allowed at a time though so I didn't get to go inside

 

Doobie60 the ban on mephedrone also banned methylone and butylone. They aren't banned individually. In fact the whole book of pikhal got banned at once so think of how many drugs that is. They ban drugs on similar chemical structures in the UK and USA

The reason Nrg-1 is not part of this ban is because it has a completely unrelated chemical structure to the cathinones.

 

Ah. Well then they must be making different chemical structures or whatever. I keep getting shit wrong......

 

Why are you glad that they are getting banned? So more dangerous chemicals can replace them? So people can buy these chemicals adulterated on the streets?

We simply don't know enough about some of these chemicals yet to put them under scrunity. Supposedly a couple years ago a kid committed suicide 'because' of salvia. Is Salvia really to blame for that? Mephedrone is getting the blame of killing some people when in reality all those cases were at least combined with another substance as well. I've heard mephedrone does have some pretty bad side effects but I seem to remember Ecstasy having some pretty bad scare stories as well.

I think it's pretty well established that Marijuana kind of has it's own special spot in the drug world. It's already up for legalization in my state and there are plenty of medical marijuana dispensaries. I don't think Marijuana is getting lumped in with the likes of mephedrone and the 'plant food'/research chemical drugs at all.

 

Yeah not in your state lol, but in ones that aren't as progressive with marijuana they will make any excuse to slander drugs as a whole.

I'm not trying to say I hope they come out with new even less researched chemicals for mass amounts of people to try, I just haven't really heard too many positives personally about the substance and would hope it gets made illegal only so that street dealers don't try to market it as ecstasy or an ecstasy substitute just because it's cheap and easily obtained.

Salvia shouldn't get blamed for that, but I also don't see any reason for crazy strong extracts to be legal either. I know that the plant itself has origins in religious spiritual use, but I'm pretty sure priests didn't smoke 50x and stronger extracts to "trip balls" despite knowing what that means.

I simply think there needs to be more literature on the substances

And as for the comparison to E, why? E is illegal, as meph should be, it's a hardcore drug that doesn't exactly have powers of spiritual enlightenment.

 

You don't think E has the power of spiritual enlightment? I think you underestimate the power of these drugs. I don't find it necessarily 'spiritual' in the sense as mushrooms but in terms of interpersonal communication and the ability to open up on topics of our personal life we may feel uncomfortable with I think MDMA (E) and methylone for that matter are unparalleled. THat's the reason why some Iraq war veterans are getting MDMA for PTSD.

I've used mephedrone once but I have used Methylone quite a few times and I think it's far better in terms of experience and safety than getting crappy street ecstasy pills. I also think Methylone has less recreational quality than Mephedrone or even MDMA for that matter really.

 

Let's be honest if we are going to call out the entactogens for their recreational qualites, the vast majority of pot smokers don't use pot for spiritual enlightenment.

 

true. But those of us that do......... not me actually I abuse the shit out of it

 

The only reason it deserves scrutiny is the way its distributed, by irresponsible (for the most part) headshop owners without any health specifications.
Its a quest for human and individual rights. To ban another catalog of drugs is a step backwards as its still going to be imported, still going to be distributed but now its being forced into the blackmarket, run by even more uncaring individuals with poorer quality control and last time I checked dealers dont ask for ID.

Now more untested, unsafe drugs are going to be vomited out by the manufacturers with different chemical structures to avoid illegality, just like naphyrone, that is far more dangerous and toxic than mephedrone or methylone and its dosage is far smaller.

You dont realise the impact this has had on the public in Ireland and the UK, its purely down to the way its distributed and the way its reported in newspapers. Saying that it should be outlawed is more ridiculous and dangerous than the state of things at the moment and once the shit hits the fan with naphyrone the same thing will happen. By then there will be another drug to fill its shoes.

 

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But.. but.. the drugs come from a lab.. I thought that meant they were 100% safe..

 

Science= truth (fallible, malleable truth)

Thats only half the metaphysical equation.
Truth with a capital T is the other. Infallible, natural, and safe.

 

Truth, but un-natural things could technically be as safe as natural ones..