60X Salvia My 1st-4th time and last...

I posted this in the sticky to..sorry for the repeat but I know individual new threads get more attention and really wanted to share this....thanks.


Part 1) I got curious..wanted to talk to god..or Miss Salvia. I really wanted spiritual enlightenment of sorts...I found something. Im also hopeing the "afterglow" can help me kill my percocet addiction. I have done LSD before many times back in the 80s and never hallucinated. I wanted to see what that was like to. The youtube videos had me curious to. So off I went before it becomes illegal..which it shouldnt. Judging from what I felt (later) and see on youtube there needs to be some kind of controll of the stuff. But it does have a profound value as a teacher of sorts for those responsible enough to respect it.

Part 2) Since I have done opiads in one form or another for 5 years (3 back surgeries) I got the 60X from salviadragon since it is an opiad receptor acting drug. I just figured anything less wouldn't do much. A black resin like substance in extract form showed up in in a yellow first class (discrete pkg) about a week from ordering. It was in a small dark shiny ESD bag. Went to the store..bought a small waterpipe and a butane lighter and some screens from a local tobacco shop. Well the carb is right next to the bowl and the flame of this torch I bought is gonna burn my hand off..soooooo. To a normal lighter.
Air conditioning...comfortable mildly lit room, a friend. Im ready. I take a hit.

Part 3) Its not quiet dammit. I can hear every spin of the AC fan. Like a car engine..wir..wir..WIR..WIR...I am being pulled down and to the left to the beat of the freggin fan. Turn it off I tell my friend. Turn it off!!! Holy shit..I feel something ...gravity like never before. Like a roller coaster but 5 times that and in reverse. But like I said...to my left and down. And out of my mouth. I am part of everything. Everything is part of me. I dont like this. I get up and go in my bedroom and lay down. My doorway turns into dancing bananna like creatures...1000s of them moving in a film reel like fasion. Everything in the room was like this unto it self but not banannas...different stuff..except for me who was merging into my bed. I felt like it was swallowing me up..the blanket rising around me. At times I am laughing hystericly.
But it was far from funny. I also felt a static like pulling of my being...like I am being pulled apart at a sub-atomic leval.

Finally..I come out of it...Weeewww.

Part 4)This cant be it. I hoped for so much more. Being pulled apart...merging with everything. Not so fun for me. Maybe I got to strong of stuff. Not fun at all...but i wasnt really looking for fun. I tried again about 3 more times with the same(similar) results. A few hours apart. The being pulled down and to the left was gone if I laid down..but it was still just plain fucked up..period. Not for me. I feel tired and go to sleep..four hours later i wake up. I will say..it wasn't all bad..maybe 50/50. I had pictured myself leaving my body in a profound vision , talking with a superior being and getting real meaning out of the expierience. The trip was nothing of the kind.

End...There is an afterglow. I feel great and unlike every other which day I wake feeling like shit needing a perc. (I work nights but took one off for this, how sick is that !) I do not want any percocet. I mean I want one..but feel no uncomfy withdrawl. Im not sure what to think...am I part of everything ? I know I am on a sub-atomic leval..but did i want to see it, feel it? In hindsight..Not so much. Maybe Miss Salvia gave me what i wanted...freedom. A peace of knowledge that we and matter are connected. That what I percieve as reality is mearly my mind putting it all together (or keeping things seperate)in a way I can handle...but it is much different. I will be thinking about this for a long time. Im putting the salvia away and the pipe..and giving away that freggin torch...it is a 2X flame..like a jet serious lighter. I wont give the salvia away cause I dont want to be responsible if the stuff winds up in the hands of an idiot. It is for real and a very powerfull drug...and is not for parties..at all. And dont eat on salvia.. I started on a Cheesesteak sub about 10 min into a trip (on the downside) and it tasted like giant globs of fat..boy..lady S does show us reality...lol. If you try this..good luck.

Bottom line. I dont like it but I do not hate it either. On the bright side..I got to see hallucinations.. Big time..or were they reality. And.. My life and all thats aroung me..are the real hallucination. Now I know life isnt bannanna creatures...but everything is moving..and very connected and mostly empty space. Just to tiny to see. When I look at my sink across the kitchen I know Im connected to it. Mentaly it was great..but the physical effects are hellacious. If this is all salvia teaches me.....hmmmm? Id rather just watch other people do it. Kind of like the 2girls one cup video. I dont want to see it ever again..but it is funny to watch peoples reactions...

Did you know that if your desk was the nucleus of an atom the electrons would be over a mile away ? Put that in your salvia pipe and smoke it.

 

nice report. your feelings about salvia are very close to mine, either the trip character (being swallowed/turned into an inanimate object) and the thoughts you had after (connection between you and everything, doubting reality...). also the feeling that this thing is just unpleasant crap right after you use it, but a bit later you start to realize how incredible it's effects really are, once you give a second look at wtf just happened.

 

Time for a percocet..Dammit!

 

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Now in hindsight i want to share another thing..maybe someone could relate. I know it is not reccomended but in my case I think it would be OK. I need to do it alone with a fresh head. Here is why I think i can...I was still sort of with it. I was completely aware of what I had done. But somehow I felt embaresed to really go with it in front of my friend. I think that seriously hampered my trip.
Dont get me wrong..he's the best friend a guy can have. Actually we are roomies. So I trust him totaly...but I still felt uncomfy. Like he was stareing down at me from another dimension.

Next time I need to

Cut all noise..especialy white noise..like fans. Actually there was another fan on too and they werte both cutting into my trip in a bad way. The sound of them felt like rotating razorblades crushing through my physical body. Maybe some good mood music like "Illuminatiion" By Hildegard von Bingen: The Fire of the spirit. Very good mood music and spiritual.
Small Sample

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013AIX46/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk2"]Amazon.com: The Fire of the Spirit /O ignis Spiritus Paracliti (Voice): Richard Souther: MP3 Downloads


Have the room darker...I have a PC hooked up to my 48" HDTV..maybe just the light of a tripy but not to tripy screensaver.


Waduya think ????

 

i'd not recommended you to trip alone, but you can do it if you keep your environment safe.

i'd prefer a static light and complete silence. music and visual information can either make you very confused (in a scary way) or just ground you. the trip itself has so much information to your senses that i don't think you need anything else.

 

OK..Ill trust you on the second part. Quiet...dark. Then my mind can do what it wants to ..I get it

BTW....I read about a guy who did salvia in his shower...must have been horrible.

 

Cool stuff pc...

Could have been worse. I had a breakthrough yesterday (on 25x even, not sure how you managed to stay on this side of reality with 60!) and it was the most unpleasant, confusing, almost frightening thing that ever happened to me. But I have unfinished business, and I will return some day.

If you want to check out what happened to me, here it is:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=6358107#post6358107

/shameless plug

 

Dark

No sound

And lay down next time....

 

What was your environment? There is no doubt this stuff is no joke. it is the most powerfull thing i have ever put into myself and know this can happen. I just need to do it right. Respect it. And much will be revealed. Maybe i'll pray to it first or something to..like a quick meditation.

Does the butane torch really make the difference ? From what your thread says...maybe.

 

My quiet living room, with my best friend/trip buddy...

Once I was there, my reality-based environment became completely obsolete. It wasn't until I started coming down that I was able to recognize it as a familiar place and recognize my trip sitter as an actual human being...

 

if you can meditate I reccomend you do before you trip. before I had the trip I made my recent thread about, I drank a beer and was being driven a long ride home in my friends car. I just closed my eyes, felt the wind on my face and let the music do it's thing. At some point I was able to somewhat able to clear my mind (even though that wasn't my intention) and I felt very at ease and aloof about the moment I was in. I think that cool calm state may have helped me 'break through' when I smoked it soon after.

Or maybe it ahd nothing to do with it, either way it couldn't hurt to try to clear your mind and bring yourself to an aloof state before hand.

 

From what I know/have read, it does. A regular flick lighter apparently doesn't produce enough heat to properly release the psychoactives.

This was my second time with Salvia.. the first time I was 17 or 18 and we used a butane as well. I didn't break through that time, but I was shown the door. Besides smoking it properly, I now firmly believe it also comes down to whether or not Salvia deems you ready to enter her land. Another friend tried her hand later on in the day yesterday, and she just barely made it to the doorway. Tried again a few hours later with the same results. She insisted that she resisted going through the doorway, but in my experience I was not given the choice to resist. I was simply whisked away... or rather dropped on my head into the trip. I didn't even get to see the door. One second I was here, the next I was somewhere else. I compare it to being put under local anesthetic for surgery... the instantaneous-ness (word?) of it all, that is...

 

Alone..my roomie was outback. Said he would check on me.

Quiet

Big hit with butane..I plugged up the carb with something so I dont burn my finger. Laid down on my living room couch (and yea..the beutane torch made a BIG BIG difference..) Either that or i am growing and Lady S is starting to let me in a little more.........

Then

I picked up pretty much where i left off a few days ago...the same negitive being pulled apart crappy feeling..but I was laying down..and made it go away in my last moment of controll.....
Its like Lady s wanted to see if i had the mental power to pull my self out of the shit...then i got a reward...sort of :/

Then in an instant


I was surrounded by colors and gravitational energy..the strongest thing I ever felt..the craziest thing I have ever seen. It was insane..a complete disconnect..no walls..no floor or ceiling..just colors and force. Not like the first few times where things just turned into moving patterns and creaturs...just plain gone, everything but me! (actually especially me) I herd no voices..but i felt them tell me Im not real..but I clung desperately to my conciousness knowing that "I am" walking forward against the mass energy which was like a hurricane against me..with nothing but colors and force around and upon me trying to take me someware I didnt want to be yet. Trying to escape back to my life. I want to live...I want to be..I'm real !! Please stop !!! I fell into unconciousness. And I awoke..glad to be here. But I was in my bedroom.

That is a lot of stuff to go through in 5-15 min let me tell ya.

I guess I fought her and did win..in a way. But I didnt want to. I was just scared. It could have been orgasmigly mindblowing if i wasnt so scared and fighting it. Maybe she knew I wasnt ready and let me go.



WOW !!! I am getting there..I just have to get comfy enough to let it take me. I have read that sometimes it can take a few times. I cant wait. I'll try again in a few days.

Even tought it is very uncomfortable it is kind of a painfull pleasure. Getting better each time. It feels like something i need to go through to realyexplore the astro plane/spirit rhelm. Like a woman giving birth. It'll hurt for a bit...but in the end. So worth it.

 

This small cartoon pretty much sums up my last expierience but I was in the middle of it trying to get out....dont worry. It is not some retard making fun of this wonderfull plant. Im sitting here with a loaded bong trying to get the balls to smoke it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sylt3zJpMs4&feature=related"]YouTube- The Salvia Divinorum Experience

 

But all I did was sit on my porch and come back. My roomie knows I did not go outside but I remember definately being out there. It was so intense that is all I remember besides comming to in my chair in front of my PC where I took my hit. I was listening to this..its insane..but great to...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBN9Vw5l-w&feature=related"]YouTube- Salvia Trip Music - Liquid Vibrations

It seems if I take a small hit (60X) it is very uncomfy..I become part of some kind of leggo like set being pulled down and I hate it. Last time I was the set of some kind of commercial from my childhood. Like for hotdogs or something.

But if I take a big hit like with the torch (releases more chemical quicker but its a myth of sorts...a good bic will do if you hit it good) I am totaly seperate from my reality...no discomfort but still scary..because i can get up and walk around...or dont I..I did once to my bedroom..but I cant be sure I was really on my front porch that time..I had no sitter either time. And that is scary. If I am a walker..I need a sitter.

I dont want to whast any salvia on bad feelings..the big hit is the way. I just have to get used to traveling without a body...or learn to grow a body for use in the astroplane..I know I've been there

Every time I want to do a hit Im scared to do it..like right now. I have a big hit loaded..more salvia on the way from Salvia Drag....but im hesitant cause im alone. I dont want to do some and come to laying in the street which is about 15 feet from my porch. But I want so much to learn to handle the astroplane...and all it has to offer which I am sure is infinate.

So I have two trips going....one..uncomfy...terrible..the other..a totel disconnectand a true pleasure yet still scary. I choose the later. And it is true..I pick up right where I left off. I should have started with total silence. The noise ruined my first trip and left a terrible uncomfy phsycological residue in my mind just about every time I trip..except for my 2 breakthrough times.