Don't try to fight her - you'll LOSE

I see what your saying. Dude but if I can live in salvia land I really would. My body hates it but my mind loves it so if i would to live in salvia land I doubt I would have body pain since I would just became energy. And trust me I woudent wana be back to this sick world

 

my mind hates being part of a sidewalk as much as my body does. but each person has his tastes, lol.

 

YEAH MY BODY HATED being a lego. but my mind loved that thrill cuz when you were a kid you imagine being a car or what ever. well you can be it on salvialand. justsaying

 

sounds fun, but right now i am enlightened by a strong encounter with my lovely friend miss MJ, and she made me remember the crucial point of my bad salvia trips, clearlier than ever: i died.

really, i'm not trying to be a phylosopher. i'm high and for a strange reason, this made me have a strong memory flashback, i remembered surprisingly clearly what i saw and how importantly despairing was what i felt in at least two of my breakthroughs. it was in a completely unexpected and bizarre fashion, i'll not try to redescribe here, also because is when i would use metaphors that don't make justice to what is impossible to describe, the hallucinations, but the overall realization was that i was discovering how it was to die or most closely to know that i was not a living being... perhaps now, perhaps since the beggining of anything. it was impossible to ask to anyone or anything, tho, because i had no materia of my own, so how could i interact? and there were no returning back. boom. best way to understand is asking to yourself: right now, if you, in a random instant, discover that you have no life and watch the proccess, and you can't relate it to any drug usage, and i mean you really can't... how will you feel?

i'd like to be an F40 for a day and win a race when i was a kid, but i wouldn't like to discover that i'm dead and having no chance to understand anything about it! hahaha. well, i'll be lying if i say it's not interesting, and i'm laughing, but salvia is SERIOUS shit.

edit: i just remembered to add what you said you don't like about it. damn, it phisically hurts. =\

 

this is exactly why I recommended sally flipping. MDMA counteracts the weird salvia body high and it becomes almost euphoric. The salvia experience lasts almost twice as long too.

 

AHH... a lifetime/eternity condensed into 5 minutes was long enough for me.

I dunno... I will go back one day when the time is right and I think I will take the MDMA along as a buffer. It makes sense that it would counteract the dysphoria. Although I'm not ever expecting/looking for a fantasticsuperhappyfuntime experience with Salvia, anything to take the edge off the anxiety so I can concentrate on the other elements of the trip would be a big help.

I wonder though, how the Salvia effects the remainder of the MDMA? And at what point, during the MDMA, is the best time to smoke the Salvia?

 

Ive only smoked it coming off the rush so at about + 4 hrs 30 min for me if you have little experience with MDMA maybe even past the 5 hr mark. Its still quite an intense experience, maybe even more so in a sense but the MDMA provides a sense of comfort to it all. I remember blasting past salvia land to like a void that was somewhat reminiscent of 5 meo dmt. I remember feeling quite high for another 20 mins after the 8 minute salvia high but its pleasant. Nothing atypical really happened the rest of the night though.

But yah I've flipped on nitrous and ketamine too but something was particularly mystical and special with the salvia + MDMA combo.

 

have you tried salvia with anything else guerilla? i can't imagine it going very well with LSD or on the peak of a powerful psych

 

I've tried it on 2ci once and that turned me off from trying it on any other powerful psychedelics. If I landed a good amount of LSD I may try it once. There was nothing specifically wrong with the experience but I felt quite sick coming off of it and the rest of the night I had a headache.

 

i tryed it with canabis. idk i feel a bit more intense shit when im high and do salvia

 

You might be surprised, the only enjoyable experience I ever had was tripping balls on 4aco-something. I generallly hate salvia, the only time its fun is watching someone do it the first time.:xmastree::xmastree::xmastree::xmastree:

 

i re-read this after breaking through last night, and WOW this is very similar to what i experienced! so much so that i wonder if i got these ideas from reading it the first time. if so...damn you SB!

i quoted the especially similar parts.

for me, it felt like being integrated into the inanimate was part of some gave that everyone was playing. and they did it in time with the music, as it "came around" to them. the "join us taunting manner" was coming from them - very strongly suggesting that i DO IT, whatever "it" was.

the fabric flipping that you mention - for me it was like I was suppose to flip like that - the people all around me were "flipping" (last night i was calling it "diving") into the folds and coming out on the other side into a new, more true dimension?

for me it came in two rounds as well. the first one, i thought i would have to stay forever if i "flipped." or maybe i was stuck there no matter what i did. but i didn't want to play the game!

when the next round came, i started out protesting again. that caused me to really fuck up, and let the music pass me by. it was like i lost my chance cuz i was too slow. but luckily, they explained to me telepathically that it wasn't over, that i could choose again to play the game and dive or flip into the table. that's i think around the time i saw my sitter's face, which was quite reassuring. i was like "oh HE'S here?! what is he doing here?
so then i tried my best to flip and become part of the table, but i didn't fucking know how! i got part of the way in, and stuck. so i had to re-try, and got about half way in this time and stuck again. by now i was panicking again that i was taking too long, and i started screaming and yelling at them. something like - i know you know how to do it! i just fucking SAW him do it! why the fuck?!....

when i came too, i was pissed for having this trick played on me. my friend told me after the 2nd hit i laid my head back on the couch and he came over to take the bong. he said i had the craziest look in my eyes, and i suddenly lifted up one arm real quick smashing it into the blinds. he said he thought i was gonna kick his ass or something. then i was doing somersaults off the couch, turning myself upside down on the couch, trying to get up. then i was yelling but it was a mile a minute and he couldn't understand. he said watching me do that was enough to make him never wanna try it again. (we had tried it twice before as kids, and he did it again with his wife and had a bad time, but i don't think he broke through) he also said he would have had to call an ambulance if my craziness continued

 

bump so i can find this in the future

 

*cough cough* It's in psychedelic trips *cough cough*, I think a *cough cough* LSD camping trip should be posted there too. *cough cough* I just took some robotussin, cough is gone now...

 

oh fuck, it's in that group? i searched for this for about 20 minutes

edit

i didn't see any link in the psychedelic trips group to my salvia report.

but i did just add my LSD camping trip

 

Haha thanks for bumping pork, I just read your last reply and found even more similarities. The fact that it was like a "game" that everyone else (whoever/whatever they are) was playing and wanted me to join like it was no big thing. It was like DO IT, DO IT! But I was like, "DO WHAT!? I don't understand! Explain this to me at once!" But no one would, "they" just kept pulling at me and taking pieces and it gave me the feeling like, "well, you wanted to be here, now participate" so that gave me a foreboding feeling of "oh shit, I don't belong here, I'm about to get my ass kicked..." Even though I knew I put myself in the place, it still felt like a dirty trick somehow once I got there. Nothing could have ever prepared me to expect that.

I was like waving my arms around and saying "No wait stop stop wait, what??? shit fuck stop wait!" I remember hearing myself say it, but like it wasn't coming from me at the same time - very OOB point of view but I was still very much "there" in Salvialand if that makes any sense. When I finally did see my buddy's face for the first time I didn't recognize him as someone I knew, only the fundamental recognition that it was a human face. A little later when I saw him again I was like WTF is he doing here? But at the same time couldn't really remember who he was to me. When it was his turn, he thought I was Lady Salvia and that I was controlling the whole thing. He didn't trust me for like 2 hours afterward.

 

i heard stories about that shit people are out there damn minds to even try that shit

 

That's how I feel about Datura... but I still want to try it one day when I have someone I trust/experienced enough to sit me. At least Salvia only lasts 5-10mins as opposed to 12-36+ hours. Going into it, if I had known that's what would have happened I might not have gone through with it. I was basically going by a faint memory of a sub-breakthrough dose of Salvia when I was 17 or 18... I got really lightheaded and the world started swirling, I felt like I was being pulled forward into my tunneling vision, then it let up and I laughed for no reason for 15 minutes. Completely different experience. I don't regret it at all though, and I'm actually really grateful I got to experience something so powerful. I will go back again one day when I feel it's right, I'm just still too scared right now lol

 

so why do you want to try datura?

 

hahaha SB come to Cali my friend has this pagan teacher who uses datura in her rituals, you can go embrace the spirits while tripping on datura with a bunch of weird pagans and i'll watch but will not participate. I also have some angel trumpets growing on the college campus i went to, which i believe have tropane alkaloids as well.