Arizona: An alternate perspective

I know that the new law in Arizona that requires leagal immigrants to have documentation at all times is racist, creepy and facist but I think it can be a win win situation.

First off it is a Civil rights issue that can bring people together to start to steer the system into the right place. It is getting the issue of illegal immigration into the spotlight and showing a community rising up. I know that most illegal imagrants are mostly law abiding citizens that want to work and support their families. Just like you and me.

But if it doesn't change look at it this way. Alot of the people I hear speaking out about illegal immigrants use the same tired bullshit arguements about them "Stealing jobs." The thing is that the people who are saying this are upper middle class to rich white people. I don't think that any Illegal is going to have Bill O'reilly's job anytime soon. How many of these people do you see out front of Home Depot on any given day waiting for a chance as a day laborer. How many of them do you see in a field picking fruits and vegitables.

Ok the people who are using illegal labor are generally rich and greedy. To try and save a few bucks they hire illegal labor and pay them less than minimum wage under the table. This country was built on exploiting cheap labor. The system has been flawed from day one. That system has gutted itself.

How about this. Let's send all of the Illegals back to Mexico. The fact is that the people at the top of the pyramid will lose their cheap labor and the system that is broken will go into genuine failure and collapse. Nature abhors a vacuum and it can fall to us to rebuild the system in a way that is more equitable. (I'm being half sarcastic here, guess which half). So Burn Baby Burn.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

Any system relying on unjust laws will collapse eventually. It's just a matter of time.

 

I really enjoy reading what you write rev jc.

It is refreshing! thanks for sharing your outlook on this. I have to say I agree very much with it. : )

 

Thank You.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

Np, I hope more people read this post.

: )

 

Should we get rid of laws that appear to be racist? I.E. Murder. Robbery, etc. No we should enforce the laws of the land.
All illegals no matter where they are from should leave the United States and take their spouse and children with them.
If we went to any other country on earth illegally, we would be deported, but when that is talked about in the United States it is now racist. Give me a break.
There is something wrong with that logic.

 

unless you are a native American Indian, you are all illegal aren't you?

 

OK Larry. The fact of the matter is that I've known some illegal workers. You know where the majority were from? England and Ireland. They even got jobs at very large American companies with 15 year old Green Cards that they bought for $10. If can stop people and ask for proof of citizenship based solely on their ethnicity that is a racist law. If some one is beaten, robbed or killed because of their ethnicity the person who did it faces hate crime charges. What about the non violent drug offenders that currently make up 70% of the prison population. And for the last arguement you've made. Why aren't there countries on earth that are deporting the US Military since we have gone in where we arent wanted using "Illegal Weapons of Mass Destruction" like Deplieted Uranium that has fucked up the environment in those countries and spiked the juvenile cancer rates in said countries.

So Mr. Law and Order who's going to pay to send them back? Who is going to perform the same services that they will for the same rate (Which I admit isn't nearley enough)? I somehow doubt you are going to end up picking fruit anytime soon. I've heared your same arguement over and over. "Baaah follow the law no matter what." "Baah the Illegals are stealing our jobs." "Baah America love it or leave it." "Baaah you are lucky to live here where you're allowed to say this stuff." Just repeat the rhetoric you've been fed in soundbites.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

That reminds me of an old joke. 2 American Indians were sitting an a cliff looking out over the ocean they see 3 masted ships pull in to the harbor one of them looks at the other and say's "You know that's our problem we don't have any Immigration laws."

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

You're asking if we should try to rid ourselves of institutional racism? Well, that's a tough question, all right.

No, that's not what we're saying. Once again, you are distorting the issue here. No one disputes the right of a nation to enforce its sovereignty. What is disputable are the methods used in the enforcement. This xenophobic law is blatantly unconstitutional, and it's only a matter of time before it's challenged.

I am an Arizona resident. I understand that the state's police departments and highway patrol have backed off and won't touch the situation with a 10-foot pole, for fear of the backlash and in acknowledgement of its legal flaws. So the irony is that the situation with the illegals is more in limbo now than it ever was before.

 

truth be told, many, not all by any means, but many illegal aliens are criminals and are a major weight on our legal system. there are countless illegals who are currently spending time in u.s. correctional facilities and are costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands if not many millions per year. i believe in civil rights, but there are always two sides to a point of view, and many times each have their own valid points.

 

I saw this T-Shirt the other day and to me it says volumes:
http://tribalgear.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=254&osCsid=1fa198148574dec71fcd057d98092b71

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

I'd be interested to know where you think you got this information, because it's simply not true.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to call it "countless" there are statistics as to the racial make up of the prison population the majority of which being Black or Hispanic. I don't know how that breaks down between Illegal Alien Hispanic and Nationalised Hispanic. It seems to me that the illegales get sent back to Mexico or whatever their country of origin is on your dime.

I know that this is a little off topic but also realise that the majority of the US prison population are in on non-violent drug offences. A part of Mexican drug culture is that you don't make drug deals in your home. Now say you've got one of the illegales that is slinging dimebags of cheap pot on the street corner (as a matter of fact white people do this too) he really isn't hurting anyone but he'll get scooped up and be discovered as an illegal alien and sent back. Granted we are still paying for his trial and his brief incarceration. We're not going to throw him in a maximum security prison that is already overcrowded with poor non-violent drug offenders.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

Yeah, it requires enforcement. Good ideas tend to have their own encouragements.

 

That's funny. What are the legal flaws regarding illegal immigrants?

The thing that strikes me as absurd about this is that, if someone can manage to get across the border, we can't do anything about them, because they're now protected by the laws of a country where they have no legal right to be. As Alice would say, "curiouser and curiouser."

Our immigration policies are nuts, but the right answer isn't to open the flood gates and let them all in. When I hear that the law will not touch it with a 10-foot pole, it worries me, because doing nothing is the same as tacit permission.

 

Shhhhh.... we're not supposed to look at that too closely.

 

That's not what I said. What I said was that there is a tacit if unspoken understanding of the flaws in this law. It is also probably political backlash.

That's not correct. Illegals are still being apprehended in the "traditional" way.

You have misunderstood what I said. No one said anything about "opening floodgates". Again, what I said was that the state's law enforcement agencies have tacitly acknowledged that this particular law is not only absurd, it is in all likelihood unconstitutional. Aside from that, the state of Arizona does not want to continue being in the withering eye of the national news media.

 

I know it isn't cool to bump your own thread but I just saw this cartoon that put the whole subject into perspective for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN1kp1ggWyM"]YouTube- How to Solve Illegal Immigration

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

quite so Balqis the west wasn't won, it was stolen!