previous trips and a decision to make

Just want to share my experiences with salvia.

First time was a few years ago, before I had even smoked weed. 40x I think, but it didn't matter. I didn't know how to rip a bong properly, so all I really experienced was "salvia gravity".

flash forward to about 6 months ago. I found out a friend had some salvia, 60x. in retrospect, this was a stupidly high concentration.

I convince my friend to sell me a bowl's worth, and to trip sit for me along with another friend. we go in the bathroom of his dorm so I can blow the smoke into the vent. my friend packs what I now know to have been a huge bowl in his bubblerl. I torch the shit out of it, clear the chamber, and repeat this twice more, still on the same breath, and start holding it in. my vision starts to tunnel in, until I can only see a small oval in the center of my vision.

that's the last thing I have a clear memory of. apparently after holding the smoke in for at least 30 - 45 seconds, I simultaneously collapsed and exhaled. one of my friends had already taken the bubbler from me, and the other caught me as I fell and carried me onto the couch in the dorm room.

definitely a breakthrough dose, probably level 7. I can only give brief glimpses of what I remember, which is very little.

I remember being part of some kind of assembly line, or some kind of machinery. someone or something talked to me, but I have no memory of this other than it happening.

near the end of the trip, the feeling was of being locked into a bent position, possibly that of the couch I was sitting on, and being trapped this way while I was rotated through reality. at least that's the best way I can describe what I remember. my memories of the few parts i remember are very foggy. finally I was "rotated" back into the room, and was eventually returned to reality. I'm pretty sure my first words were " what the fuck what the fuck" a bunch of times, followed by the realization that I had taken salvia and was ok now. I rembrr being absolutely terrified during the last part of the trip when I thought I was stuck in this bent position, somewhere.

externally, here are the notable events:

at one point a friend of mine who didn't know I was tripping called me, and somehow the call got answered in my pocket. he said he heard weird noises, but didn't realize I was making them. my trip sitters then took my phone from me.

also I apparently spent a good portion of the trip looking at the mirror on the wall next to the couch.

I chose to repeat the experience with a smaller bowl a few weeks later in the hope of remembering it this time, but I also don't remember this trip. also a breakthrough dose, and I think I had the same trip, only I escaped it much faster.


overall, both experiences were terrifying, but I'm still tempted to try it again, still shooting for a breakthrough, but with a low enough dose that I'll remember the experience. def wouldn't be with something as strong as 60x. I'm not sure if I want to though. my main reason not too is that after reading other people's trip reports, it seems like a fascinating experience, but not a particularly enlightening one. I'm also very curious about DMT, but the intensity of it still scares me away from it a bit. in terms of psychedlics, I've shroomed six times. 2 of these were amazing, one a terrible trip (brought on by ridiculous external events happening around me), and 1 mixed trip that resulted from my trepidation after the previous nightmarish experience, and 1 good trip that pales in comparison to the other 2 sublime trips.

 

Are you asking should you try it again? Dissassociatives in general, and I consider salvia a dissassociative hallucinogen are not the best drugs to try and recall your experience. Part of this is due to you're being pulled so far away from your reality that your cognitive systems used for things like memory have no frame of reference to grasp onto. Really the only common things I've gathered from my salvia journeys is there is a body high/feeling, I feel I am in a place, and things seem to be geometrical. you may have an experience here and there where you feel like you 'won' or understand but return again and it becomes elusive. Salvia is far more out there than lsd to me why there is not a subculture around it yet like for LSD and MDMA is beyond me. Perhaps this one simply is too much for most. Sorry to rant.

 

lower dose for sure. lower extract, preferably, and you'll understand why you're terrified, haha. your memory of the experience is always blurred, anyway. i still get some lost pieces of my breakthroughs when i smoke sub threshold doses or have a strong marijuana trip.

 

i agree to some extent, but there are some pieces that you can bring back, and this doesn't seem to be happening with op. almost complete amnesia is not expected in appropriate doses. the memory is chaoticly arranged and blurred, but you can still recollect some bits.

to me, it's crystal clear that ego loss (and not accepting it) is what makes salvia trips so terrifying. and i can remember a lot of aspects of how this happened in my experiences: visually, tactilly and emotionally.

 

the op mentioned the machine though and being rotated, that to me does not show complete amnesia and I completely understand what he's talking about but at the same time its completely meaningless. His description of feeling apart of a machine and on an assembly line is nearly identical to my friends description of her first k hole which she dubbed 'the post office of doom'. I just don't think strong dissassociative experiences translate back into words very well cause like I said it has less to do with amnesia more than it has to do with no point of reference. hallucinogens are an exaggeration and expansion of outward vision and sensations so you can capture it better, dissassociatives are an internal voyage the likes of which we can only relate to dreaming which is itself usually a tough experience to recall.

 

There was a period of time for a few weeks after each experience where something would happen that would give me this really weird, uncomfortable déjà vu like feeling that made me start grasping at things that may have happened. at one point one of the more interesting theories I had, because of the mirror thing, was that for part of it I was a part of (like a gear in) the machinery of my own mind. And the best way I could explain the being bent in half and locked in place (like it was my role to stay in that position. the second time right after I broke free back into reality, the first thing I said to my sitter was something like "should I go back into it", something my friends would have interpreted as my trip ending, but for me I meant should I go back into my position) is that I became the couch.

also in the weeks after I had a few strange experiences with weed, where things started to become very salvia like and I would remember parts of my trips, but they're gone now.

directly after the first trip though, I couldn't remember anything other than the fear of being crushed/locked in place right as I returned.

yeah, my question was whether I should try it again. or dmt, which from my understanding is far more intense and hits you somewhat similarly due to the similar chemical receptors it triggers, but is much more likely to be enjoyable.

 

also want to add my thoughts on where the fear comes from with salvia. I'm not sure if it was the ego loss itself that caused it, but it's very possible. definitely part of it though is that through all the weird shit that happened I still must have had some sense of being human, which, combined with all the strange places you go, leads to fear because these are not places a person would hold up well. for example, being a gear in a machine - understandably frightening if you still are aware that you have a body. maybe this fear is just the primal, instinctual parts of your brain kicking in and trying to "save" you.

 

for me it's more about being aware that you SHOULD have a body, but actually discovering that you don't have one. i merge with the surroundings of what i'm seeing, and i'm denied to have any individuality. i never tried any other dissociatives to compare, but i think that salvia does this in a VERY violent way, i'd say in a psychotic way.

if you should try it again or not, it's entirely up to your will. salvia won't cause you harm, so if you're interested in the experience, there's no reason to not do it, besides any possible fear.

and dmt is something that i'd definitely like to try. i'm not sure of what you said about it affecting the same receptors that salvia triggers, i guess this is wrong. but from the reports i did read, it looks very similar in character and strenght anyway, but more visually powerful, lasts longer, more insightful and less panic inducing. looks like a "good salvia", hehe. too bad i haven't tried it yet, the extraction proccess is a hassle.

 

I did find that after those trips, I had this discomforting questioning of reality type feeling going on. and about a week after salvia I had what I would describe as my only bad experience with weed.

also, after my bad shrooms trip, I was in a bad place mentally for a while, questioning what the point of anything is, and salvia may have contributed; it's hard to say. it took me a while to get myself back on solid ground mentally, although I don't think anyone I know would even have been able to tell that I was going through this. subsequent shrooms trips also helped immensely, reminding me why I'm a musician, and also breaking down a lot of mental walls and my overconcern for what other people think.

 

For sure try dmt, like tourist said its probably not much more intense if at all. I have one experience with 5 Meo Dmt which is said to be more intense than dmt. I feel salvia was comprable to 5 Meo dmt. I don't really care to use 5 Meo anymore due to lingering negative after effects.

 

i passed through this. actually, i'm still in this mind state since my last experience, which was one month earlier. i wouldn't say that i had a bad marijuana trip, but i got slightly panicky for some moments because i had a very salvia-like feeling, remembered past trips very clearly and it was like reality could be disassembled at any moment. but it was greatly insightful. in fact, the effect that marijuana has in my personality started to feel very much meaningful, which i do appreciate.

my conceptions about my self and the reality were shaken by salvia. the experience itself is a lot of times horrifying, but the questions it rises are of incredible meaning. sometimes, i start to think too much and it makes me have some feelings of depersonalization/derealization yet, but this only happens when i'm alone. interaction with other people consistently grounds you in reality, it's actually what makes you feel alive.

omg, that was poetry. lol

 

I got too blown. Last week and I sort of had a salvia. Kick in idk I guess. That last salvia trip still in my brain lol salvia is eevrything. And everything

 

skubby dubby

 

that is extremely similar to my breakthrough dose on two bong rips of 10X i tried 13X twice like 7 years ago, but only took one hit, then passed and repeated.

i was in an assembly line that was ritualistically rotating through realities in time with the distorted music i was hearing. the first "go around" felt like being rotated through several realities that were like pages of a flip book. the 2nd time around, i felt like i didn't know how to rotate back and i was stuck.

i can't imagine anything more intense. 60X definitely seems like overkill.

 

Salvia really sucked the joy out of tripping for me. Which is ridicules cause I'm always been a fairly high dose tripper and never had any problems before.

 

well none of my trips on other substances were very much like a salvia trip. so even though i was scared shitless immediately afterward..and was pretty much ready to swear off all drugs (yea right), i'm not gonna let it take the joy out of tripping for me. 16 mg or so of 2ce on monday

 

The only explanation I've came up with how bizzare and otherworldy salvia is, is the altitude it grows at. Its like a different plane or frequency then what humans should deal with. As intense as Dmt is, something about the experience remains very rooted in the human experience.salvia doesn't feel the same eventhough there are similarities like fractals to other psychs. I have no experience with deliriants so I dont know if they would provide something else but that's all I got in regards to naturally based substances.

 

i would guess is has to do more with the properties of the chemical salvinorin A, rather than the altitude it was grown at.

 

well yes, but I think they are tied together to an extent, because salvia that grows at ground level doesn't cause these types of effects, and it doesn't necessarily seem poisonous (besides being extremely hallucinogenic) like mushrooms or cacti. I dunno you're probably right in more that's it has alot more to with makeup, just throwing things out there.

 

intersting. i've never heard of that before, but i haven't read too much about salvia to begin with.

just to be clear, you think mushrooms and cacti are poisonous? i've kinda felt like that while on mushrooms, but i dunno if they are actually poisonous.