No More Tears

First I have no responsibility to answer any questions, let alone yours. I do so because I find it interesting and fun to do.

I don't know if you've noticed but there many people who pick apart every word of what I say, sound familiar and so some questions are more time consuming than others, like this question "Who are the laborers of the harvest, what is the harvest, and why should we pray for more laborers?"

You don't specify what scripture you are talking about or why you are interested.

The concept you are talking about is found at both Matthew 9:38 and Luke 10:2 and so I am comparing them and what the Bible says about similar concepts like master, beg, prayer, workers, laborers, harvesters and harvest but if you wish I could just make something up for you but it wouldn't be what the Bible says about it.

 

It also refers to Jesus as the son of man, the son of god, the messiah, the Christ, the virgin birth, a citizen of Judea, the Nazarene, a brother, a friend of tax collectors, a drunkard, and on. It is quite confusing.
How is it that the bible "infers", I thought you said the "bible says"?

 

Actually back you you, you did not answer the question, you merely cobbled together something you think I may have said about the subject but you did not answer the question I asked. If you really took the time to answer the question for yourself, you would have the answer to your question but you are really not interested in finding the answer.

 

If the person is asking a question that they should already know for themselves, it is not often helpful to just give them the answer.

 

"Give to him who asks of you."

As I thought, concocting something that fits. And am I involved in any less scrutiny than you?
The Holy spirit would tell you what to say in the moment, and perhaps would not rely on your comparisons, or your own "sorting out"

Yet you claim to recognize the "concept" and where it is found. If you recognize the concept, then why can't you say what the concept is?

I suggest prayer might help, as in "this kind takes much prayer". Did you know that this phrase applies to any what we would deem, "intractable problems", not to just casting out demons?
And again, the amount of time that has transpired suggests that it is not that simple.

 

I appreciate the special consideration.

 

There is only one Archangel mentioned in the Bible but yet interestingly Jesus has an Archangels voice. “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

Oh, I haven't forgotten those Midianites, I'm just not going to answer any more questions in this thread that are not about the OP.

 

How could the real answer to a question be "not helpful"? Are you trying to manipulate information?

 

The bible says everything plain and simply, looking for esoteric meaning is missing the point. Yet if you look carefully, it infers all these interesting esoteric points. Like that Jesus was the first angel. Nifty...

The bible may or may not be self-contradictory, but it seems fairly obvious that you are.

The bible is either a) extremely self-contradictory, or b) extremely esoteric and full of hidden meanings that must be interpreted properly. If a) is true, then it is not the work of God. If b) is true, and the bible is the work of God, then God creating it with the intention of sewing discord, and making following her/his will as hard as possible. So either s/he is a sadist, or s/he is intentionally creating as challenging an existence as s/he can, so to weed out all but the very 'best', by whatever criteria s/he has set up.

And maybe that's true. The bible seems to certainly point that way. It speaks of the way to the kingdom as being exceedingly hard, and that few will make it. Thing is, if all of that is true, then God made those who would not make it as they are. Knowingly made humans in such a fashion that most would fail. Or messed up somewhere, or had limited abilities.

My issues with the bible have little to do with wanting to do things the bible says are bad. It has to do with an anger, back when I believed, at a God that could be so cruel. That God would throw me into a world that was so difficult in hopes for some great reward, but create me in such a fashion as to make it nearly impossible I could ever attain that reward. Such a God is worthy only of my contempt.

After I lost my faith in christianity, I searched for a long time for a faith I could believe in. Before I realized the only honest answer was that I didn't know. I don't know what the true nature of the world is, I only know what I have seen, what I see, what I experience. All my experiences are subjective, and affected by my own interpretations. Admitting to ignorance is hard, it brings everything into question and sets one adrift. But it has the virtue of honesty, and a certain kind of peace.

 

I see. So I should already know, in advance, why God would order genocide. Or the taking of sexual slaves. Cute.

 

I have

No, just taking the time to tell you what the Bible actually says on the subject.

Yes.

Is that why you so often disagree with the Bible?

Honestly. Both scriptures talk about begging the master for more worker and a harvest but they are not worded exactly the same and I am taking some time to look them over.

The amount of time that has passed suggests that I have a life other than being at your beck and call to answer any question that you might come with.

And I will no longer answer question in this thread that do not have to do with the OP.

 

This is called deductive reasoning.

How convenient for you. The thread is called no more tears.

 

tha bible never made sense to me an never will

 

I was referring to your statement that you are not required to answer any questions.

I have no disagreement with the bible, the bible does not make agreements.

In the absence of contravening evidence this might be true.

 

Jesus being the first born of all creation or his having an archangel's voice are not particularly esoteric.

Because I don't say what you want to hear?

c) done of the above.

c) none of the above

Sorry, no one ever told you the truth.

Everyone decides for themselves what they will believe.

It was not a genocide and there were no sexual slave, is that better?

I don't know how this got so far away from the OP but I'm out'a here.

 

Perhaps waterbrother, this is where you diverged.

 

Nice dodge. As a previous poster noted, you answered her question with a question. I tried to answer yours as best I could and asked you one which should be easy for you. Instead, I gather you're saying I didn't answer your question to your satisfaction, so you don't have to go any further, which of course you don't. But the dodge is clear, lame and pathetic. It may get you by on the streetcorner, but here I doubt that anybody will fall for it. You dodge the question because you can't come up with an answer that will reconcile your theory of a just and loving God, an internally consistent Bible, and the massacre of innocent children.

 

danielleinthesky:
have you ever read the bible? cover to cover?

 

ElfSpice,

I am sorry for allowing the thread to be derailed, I found your OP interesting and wished to discuss it but how the thread got to discussing my citing sources or answering questions in another thread I don't know, perhaps if I leave, the discussion will go back to your original OP.

 

It's so refreshing to hear such honesty, humility, and clarity of thought after being bombarded with the nonsense of True Believers who make Christianity into a caricature and call it God's will instead of their own folly.