The emergence of subconscious material

and it's value:

to me it seems like sometimes psychedelics can bring out repressed or subconscious emotions. sometimes this can happen through mystical experience, which can attach a sort of 'mystical-understanding' to certain aspects of the surfaced emotions. which tends to give them more weight as true understanding.

although to what extent are some of the revelations we have had on lsd just mirrors of our subconscious, and to what extent are our revelations mirrors of the collective unconscious. it seems to me like it is very easy for lsd to bring out issues with the subconscious -- for example a person experiences x in life and it is reflected in his trip and the understanding he reaches through the trip. so this understanding is less based on some kind of higher understanding and more based out of experience x that the individual had, and the things attached to it.

so this would mean that lsd is also capable of espousing some kind of false truth based on the events in one's life.

 

I think LSD in particular, brings ones awareness to many regions of one's mind/memories/ideas/dreams/beyond. A lot of things in one's head, and acid has a tendency to be spurratic in its action on the mind. Total random jumps between thoughts and feelings, memories, perceptions. Also, since acid raises the frequency of ones brain waves/thoughts take off extremely quick (depending on dose)

I find it hard to keep up with its direction when its at full pace/peak. I think one can become stuck in a certain web of thoughts/memories for whatever reason, possibly fear or trying to resist them from coming into awareness.

I find acid a great tool for clearing the mind, focusing my awareness on projecting into higher realms, if brain waves are fast enough, ones mind cannot focus, therefore awareness becomes just that, awareness, not to any particular thing. This is ideal for perceiving the third-eye and astral realm. Not everyone has these results, some people suffer intense anxiety, and fear of loss of control/etc. Thus, stopping themselves from reaching higher planes and projecting. Infact, my first time I got stuck in a web of extreme fear and anxiety for the first couple hours, since I had no idea what was going on. I took 6 huge liquid drops, and it came on so fast it took me a while to get comfortable with it and resist my urge to fight it. Terrible and horrifying place to be trapped in ones head resisting a web of thoughts/memories/feelings and getting stuck on it for a minute. Absolutely unspeakable feeling. But, like Huxley says "one must walk through hell to get to heaven"

 

That's some real sh*t man nice to hear that from other people

 

LSD magnifies what you already are

 

The only value the world has for you is the value you give it.

The frontal lobe is responsible for emotions as well as expressive language. There aren't any latent emotions. Emotions are generated in real time through a combination of physical sensation and expressive or descriptive language. Some psychedelics seem to stimulate the mind to unusual activity which presents new or increased sensitivity. This increased sensitivity reminds us of unresolved conceptual conflicts. These are not subconscious things, these are conscious things actively suppressed. You cannot suppress what you are not conscious of to begin with.

Although some may become infatuated with the ecstatic mystical states, there is no reason to assume the information from those states has greater legitimacy than information from any other state. The information is just different.

I don't know if you intended to say things this way but the "unconscious", cast no reflections.

We are subject to deluded thinking regardless of our state of consciousness.

 

In both ways, ya. I think so too.

 

TheDude, it's kind of superfluous to state the obvious (to address your last comment of your address). I'm sure Deso's doesn't need me to defend his point, but I agree with him in the sense that Acid has the ability to amplify things in one's mind and affirm it's truth.

Does anyone remember my incoherent thread on misinterpretation?

Ideas are so immense sometimes, but yes also indeed in many states of consciousness. But I'll say it again differently: Many people go through the LSD experience as something completely different than their normal thinking, that even their normal thinking seems new and unfathomably real.

It is our responsibility to make choices, but not necessarily our responsibility to make healthy choices.

With all that said I want to state that LSD is a very personal medicine for me, in which I do value the experience. But I no longer think it is for everyone. And as much as I used to not think this, props to those that use it for fun and fun only.

Some people are naturally stronger in mind.

 

Friends, LSD has no motives.

Tranquilo hijos.

 

Not to the oblivious.

 

True, and well made point, for your last two posts.

 

I didn't find you incoherent.

"Some psychedelics seem to stimulate the mind to unusual activity which presents new or increased sensitivity. This increased sensitivity reminds us of unresolved conceptual conflicts" as well as our miraculous inherent qualities.

That is why the buddy system helps, that is, the experienced tutelage of a well adjusted mind.

 

Sometimes the buddy system breaks down when the other makes the choice to go against your feelings on the account of their being different.

 

Sometimes we slip and fall. I'm not really advocating universal usage.
Helpful is a matter of timing. We don't feed steak to babies. A well adjusted mind is coherent to all mind.

 

No, I agree, I don't know why I felt the need to submit that......

Well probably because that's what happened on my trip last night.

 

Care to share?

 

if you find a place where you can be truly free then the choices the other is making and you are one. i find this to be the case in alot of more intense psychedelic landscapes.

 

That can happen sometimes Desos, one's struggle may become the struggle of the group.

This recent experience I was so ecstatic myself that I remained somewhat detached.

The experience was a concert, we each took a hit of fire stuff. Had a ridiculously mind blowing time at the concert outside in a Storm during some great music. And after the show the greatness continued and he was a real team player, but after awhile I noticed my friend get in funk and talk a lot about the negatives of the experience, mostly the fact that we missed a lot of the show and how much it cost. Some slight resentments he was focusing on. He was in a negative funk, and he was completely shut down to strangers after the show. When people visited our car he would turn his back, look down, and not even be able to communicate with the strangers when they addressed them. I guess some of us are shy... but I'm shy, and socially awkward a lot of the times, but the swiftness of the mind in this state is unconcerned. By the end of the night he said he was getting the chills and definitely seemed uncomfortable.

Can't blame someone for feeling that way. Many of us feel that much of the time. I was grateful for his presence at the height of the night and his being a team player. I asked him to continue the trip at my house but I was slightly relieved when we parted instead.

A quiet trip by the Lake Ontario shore front amongst sand, a great blue heron, and swans.

 

Detachment is a hallmark of well adjusted mind, a mind that is not oppressed by it's own thoughts.

 

I find this to be so in any landscape.