Israel now kills people on live TV

Israel was only dealing with "6" ships and it didn't go as easy as one would think, had the flotilla made it withing 20 miles of Gaza they would have to of dealt with hundreds more.

I quoted You.

If you find someone to take that bet, send them my way.

 

I'm pretty sure they "Israel" got their point across.

In terms of the boarding of the ship, one can justify it by considering the fact that Iran is constantly attempting to arm Hamas with weapons capable of striking innocent Israel civilians, and this has been proven in the past. Israel has intercepted ships carrying tons upon tons of rockets ultimately intended to be used against Israel civilians. Israel has a fair reason to suspect that any ship entering Gaza could be smuggling weapons, and therefore, by international law, Israel is allowed to inspect these ships. Israel acted completely within international law by requesting and demanding to inspect the ship. The ship, by refusing, gave Israel the legal right to board the ship.

 

Israel also constantly kills in much greater proportion innocent Palestinians yet the US continues to arm Israel, in fact we just gave them almost $1 billion for aid on a missile defense system.

Israel also constantly breaks international law by blockading Gaza and only allowing 15,000 tons of aid a week in, less than a 1/4 of what the UN and amnesty international say is needed just to maintain healthy nutrition levels in Gaza.

And what 100's of ships, Palestinian fishing boats? No, those aren't allowed out either technically by the law of the Israeli blockade, more stuff for them to shoot at. Israel never requested to board the ships and inspect, they said the ships should dock at an Israeli port. Also, ships are boarded by nations all the time, including in the private infested waters of Somalia, yet normally people don't die in the process.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9G3RA283

http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/under-scrutiny-idf-retracts-claims-about-flotillas-al-qaeda-links/

Also, in the month of May there was 1 rocket launched from Gaza, in April also 1, 3 in March, and 10 in February, this is what Palestinian children are starving for:


To quote someone else, not just about this, but the over scheme of things that lead to this:

The only country that breaks international law as much as Israel does is North Korea.
Not that it has anything to do with this, but in reading articles I got sent back a few months to this, so whatever I'll post it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/07/israel-palestine-eu-report-jerusalem
"European Union - Israel is annexing East Jerusalem"

Gaza is basically the world's largest high tech concentration camp while the West Bank is becoming so segregated its hilarious. It's true, the oppressed do in time become the oppressor.

 

What's your point? That the blockade is working....

Before the blockade there were thousands of rockets launched at Israel.

Innocent, aren't they all..............

 

Now Hamas is refusing to let the 10,000tonnes of supplies into Gaza.

 

Can anyone tell me if any aide was found aboard the ship in question? Just curious. It's pretty obvious that the intent of the ships mission was not to deliver aide, which they were invited to do--by the proper route. So, what WAS their cargo?

 

I think maybe cadcruzer is just yanking our chain. When you look at the statistics, the justifications, the force used, to say Israel is protecting itself is ludicrous - like a mountain lion protecting itself from a field mouse.
According to Madcaps figures - in 2008 20 Israelis were killed compared to well over 400 palestinians killed. I grieve for any person killed - but it is obvious who has the power and who is the aggressor.

 

Yes, 10,000 tonnes of "aide" was found and delivered to the border crossing,still waiting for Hamas approval.
Electric wheel chairs "batteries not included" expired medicine, etc. etc.
The ships mission, Free Gaza says it all.

 

Israel is very adept at making excuses for its numerous crimes, but the latest incident must still be considered as an act of piracy against a harmless ship that was seeking to bring humanitarian assistance to the innocent victims of a ruthless blockade. The ship was flying a white flag and it was sailing in international waters at the time. The ship was inspected in Turkey before it ever departed. I suspect that the pirates knew well ahead of time that there were no weapons on board that ship; the accusation that the ship had weapons on board is basically just another one of those lame excuses that Israel typically fabricates in an effort to justify its ruthless atrocities.

Israel is currently engaging in a war of genocide against a civilian population - mostly unarmed weaklings whom it is seeking to crush with the power of overwhelming military force. Israel didn't want any relief supplies to enter the blockade zone, and is hoping to discourage all future efforts by concerned outsiders who would like to render humanitarian assistance to Israel's victims. It's really that simple. The accusation by Israel that its victims are in league with "terrorists," is simply laughable, and is intended to deceive.

 

People who challenge the status quo are at least anarchists, if not terrorists. There is an accepted procedure for delivering aide to the Gaza strip, which has been working for everyone else for years.

Try going to city hall and light up a joint. If someone (with the authority to enforce a law prohibiting it) tries to stop you, beat them up. How innocent would you be perceived to be? No, if they'd want to challenge the law, the ship's crew should have allowed themselves to have been arrested. Passive resistance must always be the first course of action.

 

You mean as opposed to killing them dead?

 

Israel isn't on our side ! Israel carried out an attack against our facilities in Egypt during the 1950s, and was hoping to use that incident for its own political and military gain. Israel attacked one of our ships during the Six Day War (1967), and was hoping to use THAT incident for the purpose of inciting a US military response against its enemies. Israel has a network of spies that is deeply embedded in the US government. Israel has at least one (1) representative who is deeply embedded in the White House (in the person of IDF veteran Rahm Emannuel). Can you remember learning about the British government of the late 18th century, and how it used Hessian mercenaries against the colonists during the Revolutionary War ? Israel has taken a page from the history books, and is now employing US soldiers as mercenaries or as "IDF substitutes." Israel, by virtue of its high-level of influence in the US government, is sending US soldiers and national guardsmen to engage in conventional warfare against various Arabic and Moslem civilian populations, under the phony pretense of "fighting terrorism."

In short .... Israel is the greatest single enemy the USA has ever faced !

 

There is no other way of rendering assistance to those people. If that "other" method of ferrying humanitarian supplies hasn't been working, it's owing to the fact that Israel is hell-bent on committing genocide against the indigenous population of Palestine. The flotilla was hoping that Israel would bow to the rules of human decency and international opinion, but Israel has no concept of human decency, and it certainly has no regard for international opinion. It just shoots unarmed people and then responds by making the usual lame excuses.

Israel had no legal standing to board that vessel in international waters, but that doesn't mean to imply that Israel even cares about such things.

 

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Uh, no, it hasn't been going on for years, it's been going on for just under 3 years since Hamas, for better or worse, won a democratic election.(Israel's own actions is probably what lead to the Hamas victory), that's when Gaza officially became blockaded. Israel says it allows 15,000 tons of aid in a week, the UN and amnesty international say over 4x that amount is actually needed. Especially since any construction material what so ever is banned, which is a pretty hard thing to overcome after your territory had a war last year where numerous things were bombed to the ground.

Again, for everyone here, I recommend watching Occupation 101, it's on google in its entirety.

 

Now the murderers are screaming terrorist, terrorist. What a farce.

 

Rosa Parks and I think that it does not take clubs to challenge the status quo and I think that whatever International opinion is regarding the blockade, International opinion does not condone the method (clubs and knives) used to challenge it.

 

Not allowed to defend yourself against murderers and assassins. Blaming the victims is the oldest trick in the play book as is the use of agent provocateurs. Now lets all scream Terrorist.

 

What have I said that is "full of shit"...give a few e.gs, please.
I didn't say it proportionate neither did I say it was disproportionate.
I am wondering if it was or was not.
I really do not know at this point in time.
It might well turn out it was disproportianate.
My gut reaction is that it was not.
But I wasn't on the boat at the time, and those that were throwing the commandos over a 30ft drop, beating those commandos repeatedly and everything else that was going on, may have been a tad over-reaction too.
The point at which lethal force was used is sketchy in my mind, I just do not know if the commandos were being fired upon first...
I have seen footage of shots being fired from the boat by those so-called "peace-activists".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiMjAULWn0"]YouTube- Censored Footage from the Gaza Flotilla - How Violence Breaks Out

As the clip observes, the soldier could have used force towards the man repeatedly stabing him...he didn't.

If my first youtube clip is a true reflection of what occured, the Israelis warned them, told them where to go to deliever their aid and gave them every opportunity for a peaceful resolution.
What was the response? Something like: " Negative, Negative...we are going to Gaza".
It feels a tad naive to compare delievring aid to New Orleans and the situation in this particular case.
There isn't any comparison, imho. None at all.

If the Israelis didn't warn the boat and just stormed the boat, that is another matter.
It doesn't seem to have been that way.

The majority of the conversation has been about one boat...there was more than one boat there...what happened aboard those other boats?

This is about what occured on board a boat, not the situation in Gaza.
I know the focus has been swiftly shifted towards that, but that isn't the point here...
It is about what occured between a few commandos and, parhaps, 30-40 people on board that boat.
It would be nice to stick to the point.

It's presumed 90% of the people on-board were peaceful activists, the truth might be the other 10% were not.

 

I apologize for the insult. I try not to do that. I was caught up in the moment.
For Israel to say -Give us the aide and we'll deliver it is ludicrous. If they wanted aide to go to Gaza there would be no blockade of humanitarian supplies back to 25% of what is humane.

Would you trust them??

Be cautious in listening to what both sides say happened - but Israel has a massive p/r machine in place and they have already shown they manipulate the story. Black is actually white, good is actually bad, up is actually down, war is actually peace. They are so good at it that people actually believe it.
There was no need to board those ships that far out at sea, with armed paratroopers, helicopters and gunships. That in it self was a recipe for just what happened.