4-aco-dmt 40mg II : Tryptamine Teachings

set: party mode

setting: hanging with 3 friends indoors and then outdoors for a bit

I dose out 4 x 40mg parachutes of 4aces. Two of my friends back out and decline, so it's just me and a friend tripping. We swallow the ball of tissue down with a beer and begin smoking a blunt.

10 minutes later I'm starting to feel very, very relaxed, in that unmistakable serotonergic way that these psychedelics work through. I'm starting to feel my mindspace becoming larger every second, that space where your thoughts are . . . expanding, a vast auditorium now echoing with my inner chatter and sensations. The expansion comes with a physical sensation of warmth, vibration, and a kind of subtle poisoning effect; some medicines work this way.

I begin to feel a discomfort in my stomach, which rapidly escalates to a pain and nausea, and I run to the bathroom and in one or two heaves empty my stomach. I had previously eaten some shady lebanese food that was a little weird for my stomach, it came up. I felt much better right away and the vomiting was quick and painless. I'm glad I didn't fight it and let it happen.

I come back and my friend takes one look at me and says "you are SO HIGH!". He says it as though he's afraid for me, which makes me giggle inside . . . degree does not imply quality, and in my experience, if it does, then in psychedelics greater degree of effects implies more positive degree of effects, if only in hindsight. The medicine always, always heals, and more of it will heal more, though individual chemical nuances must be taken into account when increasing dose.

The two sober friends leave for a while to go grab some K, leaving me and my friend M alone. M is not feeling so hot . . . this is very intense for her, and she feels a bit queasy too but doesn't vomit. The stomach ailments only last for about 30 minutes, during the come up, invariably the most uncomfortable part of a psychedelic journey.

We lay on the bed, staring at that which eyes cannot see, looking at each other with understanding and warmth. She searches for a cigarette to help with the jitters of being blasted to a +++/++++ within 15 minutes, but alas one of the departed sober friends took them. She sits on the ground and stares at her dog who is running in his sleep, kicking her kitten who is trying to snuggle with him. The scene is far too precious even in a sober state, and it causes us to absolutely fall apart with giggles and happiness . . we laugh, and laugh, and she starts crying from the laughter . . . I can see she is emotionally overwhelmed by this medicine.

This was not a good time for her to trip, and I am worried that I have brought her on a journey she should not be taking. I only gave her this dose because she'd done it once before and wasn't too blown away. But every trip is different, even with the same substance and same dosage . . . and course when you're dealing with an accuracy of +/- 3mg, that can make a huge difference. 40mg might be a great fun light trip, 43mg might be a horribly difficult excursion into the depths of your deepest darkest self.

I look at her a while and ask her gently if she's ok, and she nods her head, and I can tell they are tears of emotional release, she's been needing to cry them for a while. She cries and laughs some more and then fixes her makeup, which is not easy to do at this point.

The friends return, we do some K, go out and do fireworks, and come back to do more k and drink and smoke pot. Me and M are so high this time that the two other friends I feel are getting annoyed, we are just lost in the process. I am accosted several times in the night by them for sitting cross legged staring at a wall motionless . . . it's unfortunate that we took something that is best used for individual use or in a setting where everyone is on the same page. You know it's awful to do psychedelics around sober people as a general rule, but it can be even worse to do them around people who are on other substances than you (like booze pot and k). Not being on the same page mentally in a social situation can lead to some friction and baseless drama and such, but in my state I could see the causes and effects of these things happening and was not worried, I knew there wouldn't be any lasting nastiness.

Eventually it's time to go home and I walk home, very shakingly, make it home, tire myself out some more, smoke some more, and sleep.

There was virtually no visual aspect of the trip to speak of . . . very very light on that end, as 4aces can be. It was all to do with thought processes, introspection, revealing inner drives and wants and truths. I think I bonded very well with M and we were very close to begin with. I think she found herself in a scary vulnerable spot and me just being there with her, in that same spot, calm and understanding, allowed her to breath and not drown.

Overall a poor choice of substance and dose. I will be saving all my 4-aco-dmt for only the most serious of sessions. It is far too heavy, extremely heavy. Heavier than LSD imo. LSD can be light and frolicky, 4aces has invariably taken me to a place of austere reflection, and even if its full of warmth and laughter, it is a truly powerful reckoning of the self, a stripping of defenses and pretenses. It pushes your face into the most unfaltering and honest exposure of the minutiae of what you are . . . to be forced to perceive the normally invisible machinations of your mind is always shocking, both in what it is you see and in the knowledge that this is nothing new; you are only being shown what was always there, hidden from your attention, below and above your magnification and normal conscious context, unavailable in standard resolution.

This one sometimes makes me think "psychological", not "psychedelic". Handle with care

 

Another awesome report, man. Good job

It sounds like M had an especially profound experience. The part with the dog and kitten seems intensely joyous. I love moments like those, even when not tripping

The more I read/hear about 4-AcO, the more I want to try it. I can't wait until I am at a point in my life when I can afford to spare the money to purchase some. It's gonna be well-worth the wait, as far as I can tell

 

Awesome report The more I read about it, the more I can't freaking wait to try it...

 

no visual side to the trip? didn't you say 50mg brought you visuals as intense as DMT?

 

yup. this one has a steep curve man. every mg is very heavy subjectively.

and it brought me visuals that were as strong as DMT/DPT and their "texture" or "motif" would be a midpoint between those two. Definitely a soft, watery DMT base but with currents of vibrations running across all surfaces reminiscent of the DPT blazing flames visuals; a net result in something I cannot help calling "jelly" too bad the psychological load of getting that high in dosage is pretty significant . . . too bad. Good thing DPT is back

 

Yea, love the power, respect it. This is very powerful and always revelational, even when not ready.

?? DPT less psychological load?

The way I've experienced it, it seems 4-AcO-DMT has a good psychological load, it is very psychological and that is a good word for it, but from what I have read DPT has the biggest psychological load of anything.

Is the DPT load more body load, and you say 4-AcO-DMT has a psychological load more than DPT because DPT gives you no time to be ready and it is so fast and much shorter? Have yet to try DPT, want to test for migraine abortion.

 

DPT is not psychological at all IME. It is beyond words, beyond mind, beyond category. It's pure dancing shiva shit.

 

Glad you had a great weekend Writer, when you get off we have to speak more of the events that we both had.

 

Not very visual? Wow I must be a featherweight because 4-AcO-DMT gave me amazing visuals at 28 mg where we started and it was full psychedelic coloring and patterning, and tracers that would remain for 5 seconds it seemed... it was a little wintery on the first 28 mg dose, and the sleeves of my warm thick comfortable plaid patterned brown flannel shirt swirling around is not anything I'll forget soon. I swung my arm in a circle and got 8 arms, motionless, with a little blur behind each, also moving.... like when you're looking at the rims of the car next to you driving and it seems to slow then reverse and then you see the pattern... it was one way and another way at the same time though... hard to explain but I found this chemical very visual... "downed with beer" well how much beer since my friends find alcohol will bring visuals down significantly... though I only get about a 50% reduction I'd say, even drunk as hell.

 

ohhhhh yeah, I'll be getting 3.5g of the deepsters and I plan on IM'ing it first, and the next step will be IV... I can't fuckin wait

I'll also be getting a bit of DMT fumarate, which will be IV'able too.

this summer will be beyond words

 

you really should keep track of your reports and possibly publish them on a small scale.

powerful material; i think i'm about due for some tryptamine medicine myself..perhaps some miprocin once the dextroamphetamine/benzos leave my system? or maybe just a high dose mushroom trip... i've been struggling so much with my manic depression lately that something's got to give, and i think it'll be best to face it head on.

 

interesting that you say it's heavier than LSD. another forumer told me that 4acodmt was very relaxing and light (i believe we were talking about ~25 mg)

 

yeah 25mg would be relaxing and light. this is 40+

 

what's the lowest dose of 4acodmt you've taken writer?

 

I insufflated like 5mg once, could feel it a bit.

 

Took 5-10mg after taking 10mg Hydrocodone, and smoked some nice cannabis while fishing with friends. It was a great day, Subtle, but farther out then'd you'd think at times. Still socially function-able. I love 4-aco-dmt for its versatility. It can take you to the farthest depths of your mind, or be a nice blanket on a chill evening. Whichever you decide. It just depends on Dose, set & setting, and how you direct your trip, mentally.

I thought this stuff was completely inactive on the visual side the first few times i went under, but that is so far from the truth. You just have to know how to use your brain to take you to the places you wish to go, on any dose, small or high. Anyone else find you have to tame the beast with your head?

 

another good read.
i kind of agree with the 4aco being heavier than lsd, ive felt like i could always take lots of lsd, but not 4aco. feels like i must approach 4aco with much more carefulness. and it is pretty psychological for me, i think of the origin of....stuff. weird.
nontheless one of my faves by far. hopefuly ill be getting a hold of some more soon

 

what's your dosage range for 4acodmt, cryptoka?

any more results with miprocin?

 

Son of a fucking bitch ho nig **** hair mother fucker... I wrote a long ass response then my "token was expired"...

Anyways, nice report writer. I agree it can heavy...

 

i never had my "token expire" but i often type a long reply in the quick reply box and accidently hit some keyboard shortcut for "back" and i lose it all. i'm usually stubborn enough to re-type it though, as best as i can