abortion

Voting, non-voting, Democrat, republican, liberiterian, christian, buddhist, hindu, atheist, it doesn't matter....why the hell do we have to keep seeing this subject come up????

People, please! Just drop it and say "peace to all"....It's just not worth it!


Holly

 

wait ..... what?











I never said you were closed-minded.

And I agree that you have not belittled me.

I have no political affiliations.

I am not American.

I have not personally attacked you.

And I agree that I do not know your morals.



What I did say was that I *think*, given the opportunity to converse with an open-minded person, I could sway opinion.

The last thing I asked you is if you were equating the anti-abortion position with evil.

now ... have some sugar.

 

alright...sorry ): sending some sugar back...I still can't find the unicorn inthe yard though.

 

lol.........in case you all are not aware...abortion is one subject osf really enjoys debating about. he has a strong stand on it.
and lynsey...though i think we all are here and exercise freewill...therefore, my opinion is that i will let people live thier lives...that being said,i am pro-choice.......however, you stated sometimes abortion is necessary. i have to disagree with that...nothing is necessary. yes sometimes to save the mother an abortion needs to be done. however, it isnt necessary, it is chosen


and you cant find the unicorn cause i just wore him out. we went for a flight to see what was on mars....

 

No, but you can’t have a very open opportunity for distaste of politicians. You tend to feel distaste towards the republicans, I’ll wager.

Or is it a distaste for policies and not politicians you have?

No matter.

And since when was the “right to express an opinion” contingent on voting?

Imagine if Craig Kielburger wasn’t allowed to do what he does because he wasn’t allowed an opinion until he was 18, or whatever the voting age is in your country.

My point was that since you actively participate in the liberal democratic process by voting, you have given your support to an entity that does just what you complain about. I’m not just talking about Bush and Clinton, but every democratic leader of every democratic nation who claims the legislation they pass that mandates family or any other value you want to name.

In my heart and mind I believe that a woman should be given the choice to abort or not.

But my heart and mind have no bearing in the world as it stands. I do not support a liberal democratic system of government. I do not support any form of government, as the very notion of offering up every right I have so that I may be protected from other people is ludicrous. Every vote is another vote keeping my rights, awarded at birth to me, from me. And all in the name of who, of what? It sickens me.

Like I said though, my mind and heart have no bearing. I must act in the system that exists. I have no choice in the matter. And so I am forced to say that women must not be given the right to choose to abort.

The system demands that rights be given on legitimate basis, and legitimate agency. There are rational arguments against abortion. Women hold these rational arguments. And so there can be no agency on behalf of women in the matter.

According to the demands of liberal democracy, the right to abort can not be given to women.

You keep the sugar. I have lots. As for the unicorn, keep your eyes open, they’re sneaky buggers.

I don’t really think Marie actually saw one. They can’t fly in space.

 

i didnt see it, i was blindfolded. but i rode it...it was one of those pegasus, unicorn mixture. it felt really cool when it flapped its wings.

 

who ever gave me a bad rep for this thread sucks ass. I fuckin get a bad rep for an option. thats bullshit. (for the rest of you give me good reps because im just so rep el [you know how it is])

 

It’s chosen on a basic inherent need for survival. Choice does not involve the staying alive. In a far-fetched contrast you can compare it to our judicial system, one is not held accountable for their actions if their life is simultaneously threatened during those actions. A person’s right to exist should never be put in the choice category-as it should be a universal right not an individual choice.

 

Oh and I still haven't seen a unicorn ):

 

I'm going to have to call you on this one lyns - one could read this and easily assume that you are pro-life.

 

No, I am simply saying that because living is a right and not a choice it doesn't even factor into either argument. But I certainly am not for second and third trimester abortions where there is no risk of harm to the mother or disfigurative life debilitating disability inthe baby. I think reading something and being able to see both sides of the argument actually shows that my post was open minded as opposed to from a pro-life stance.

 

It was just this line here that I could see someone who is pro-life jumping all over. That's all I was saying. You reference to a person I'm assuming means the mother, where as some one who is prolife could argue that a person beings to exist at conception and hence deserves these same universal rights irregardless of where the unborn child is at in their development.

 

well of course both are life and life does begin at conception. I've never bought the just an embryo argument. But it's just not practical to expect an elvolved life to die for a life that's survival stats are slim without.

 

basically all I am trying to say is that our personal morals should be above goverment enforced laws. I have no right no matter what my personal opinion is to affect someone elses choice. Personal power is more important than morality. But personally speaking unless It's a medical neccesity or a very risky complication I wouldn't have one-but that doesn't mean I have the right to choose for others.

 

I think no matter how anyone tries to justify abortion, you are killing a human life. If you have an abortion you are just as bad as the person who murders someone. How can anyone say someone else doesn't deserve to experience life. If you don't want the child, that's what adoption is for. There are plenty of people out there who can't have children, who would love to adopt someone else's child...just my opinion...not looking to debate...

 

I guess you're right. So I guess since the baby can't talk let's kill it too. I don't see how you can justify killing someone just because you don't want to have some discomfort. If you choose to have sex, then shouldn't it be the person who should use protection or simply not have sex. Do you know that animals don't have sex for plessure like humans, they do it as a matter of survival.

 

Fair enough, I was just trying to be rational with you. But on another note try to adopt a baby. They don't put them into hands of people who couldn't handle the child. In fact there is a huge waiting list. And you have to make enough money to support the child. But what you are saying is let people have sex and kill the child, who's fault it wasn't. I just don't think that is fair. Everyone should be able to experience life.

 

Yup you're heartless, I agree with you. Population control...hmmmm...so how would you feel if, God forbid, someone said they have to kill your whole family and you, because they needed population control? Would you feel the same?

 

You are a mordid soul, I feel sorry for you. And I know you will tell me to go to hell and don't feel sorry. Do some research the world is not even close to being over populated. I thought it was to, and used to think the same way. But that was cause I only heard what people wanted me to hear. The world will never be over populated. Everyone still deserves the right to experience life.

 

Okies then...what's so good about life??? Everything!!! Just walking outside and brerathing fresh air is great! Watching little children grow up is great! Trees, animals, friends, everything about life...I'm high on life...See I'm much different than you, because I've never felt better, had less, or wanted more. I'm just wondering, why do you feel the way you do?